| [08:50:17] | <bradner> | telco is not switching to a horz model - they are switching to a brownian model |
| [08:51:30] | <Berry> | Quantum Foam market |
| [08:51:42] | <Weinberger> | As in brownian motion? Or as in the color of their underpants? |
| [08:54:38] | <Campbell> | Savely´s CD of the Bach cello suites: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00005NFWA/qid=1031316230/sr=1-6/ref=sr_1_6/002-0026926-6108838?v=glance&s=classical |
| [08:57:37] | <Elin> | Should I mention the number of new APPLE COMPUTERS in the room? |
| [08:59:59] | <Black> | here´s a recent bw story on apple stock |
| [09:00:00] | <Black> | http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/aug2002/tc20020827_9548.htm |
| [09:00:48] | <Black> | in short: it says it´s risky |
| [09:01:11] | <Michalski> | link to the Plastics scene in The Graduate: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/TheGraduate-1008677/about.php |
| [09:01:26] | <Elin> | Cook: Apple has shipped more Unix machine than everyone combined... |
| [09:11:02] | <kaminski> | new panel: forster, lucky, weinberger, shapiro |
| [09:12:04] | <Michalski> | different kids have different pets... |
| [09:18:56] | <Michalski> | illustrate that, Joe! |
| [09:25:40] | <Berry> | ILECs are like a gangrenous leg; we need to apply a tourniquet to save the body |
| [09:29:39] | <Gillmor> | Every telecom customer needs a Plan B |
| [09:31:07] | <Shirky> |  what gillmore said |
| [09:32:33] | <Berry> | Don´t need a new access *technology*, we need a new access *Business model* |
| [09:33:29] | <Campbell> | LogNote: cas change T15-T16 |
| [09:34:29] | <Michalski> | access to people, not just content |
| [09:36:49] | <Robles> | The ability to publish and just consume content. |
| [09:38:49] | <Petrovic> | How does that relate to what Evslin said re gov´t networks? |
| [09:39:48] | <kaminski> | Project Rainbow article: http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/02/07/16/020716hnwirelessnet.xml |
| [09:40:52] | <Stout> | No one in any of the so-called "Project Rainbow" companies will even substantiate that is is a real thing, as yet. |
| [09:41:52] | <kaminski> | nytimes article (payment required): http://query.nytimes.com/search/abstract?res=F40911F63C5D0C758DDDAE0894DA404482 |
| [09:42:32] | <Evslin> | I´m too much of a libertarian to say municipalities should be prohibited from setting up their own utilities even tho I don´t think it will ususally be a good solution |
| [09:42:55] | <Evslin> | it may be very good solution in small rural areas - as might coops |
| [09:43:58] | <Evslin> | but municiplaties could help enormosuy be aggressively renting sewers as conduit and by designating sites where antennas can be built and not stopped by luddites |
| [09:44:10] | <cook> | re rainbow - dave hughes is concerned , i think correctly, that if rainbow flys they big players will use polictical muscle to to change the licensing rules and shut the little guys out. |
| [09:44:35] | <clark> | this sounds a little like a tech support dept where each new employee relearns their job... |
| [09:45:04] | <kaminski> | cnet project rainbow article: http://news.com.com/2100-1033-944226.html |
| [09:45:14] | <Black> | my take on rainbow is that there´s nothing behind it -- a way for the big guys to say they´re on top of wifi |
| [09:45:44] | <Shirky> | just the name says "there really is no pot of gold"... |
| [09:47:09] | <Campbell> | LogNote: DAT change |
| [09:47:55] | <Stout> | wifi is short term |
| [09:48:09] | <kaminski> | I find it interesting that the big guys "get it" enough to promulgate a vision like Project Rainbow, even if they don´t get it enough to do it |
| [09:49:11] | <clark> | ideas are cheap. it´s the implementation that´s worthy. |
| [09:50:44] | <clark> | talk is cheap. It´s the work that sends bits. |
| [09:53:33] | <Michalski> | mass amateurization... is it good or bad? |
| [09:53:49] | <Michalski> | the bad: separation of experts (doctors) from amateurs (patients) |
| [09:54:00] | <Michalski> | the good: amateur journalism (not an oxymoron) |
| [09:54:45] | <Michalski> | Baba Googin! |
| [09:55:18] | <Berry> | Important but boring: sounds just like a sewer pipe or electical cable... |
| [09:56:11] | <clark> | I wouldn´t mind owning a commodity at this point... |
| [09:56:19] | <Shirky> | every problem was once a solution |
| [09:57:00] | <Shirky> | the german army only had 10 panzer divisions |
| [09:57:08] | <Shirky> | radical change doesn´t have to be systemic |
| [09:57:24] | <Shirky> | german army in 1939, that is |
| [09:58:37] | <Evslin> | I´m glad to run (virtual) pipes and let users (phone) or other provide content. point is that top of the stack needs the midlle of he stack |
| [10:00:21] | <Elin> | To Googin´s point re Applications: http://developer.apple.com/macosx/architecture/ |
| [10:00:52] | <Elin> | The OS has become the bottom (physical) layer...and is easily replaced |
| [10:00:57] | <Elin> | |
| [10:00:58] | <Elin> | |
| [10:01:01] | <Elin> | |
| [10:01:15] | <Evslin> | |
| [10:02:19] | <Shirky> | its the second enclosure |
| [10:03:27] | <Elin> | PERSONAL CONTENT LEADS PUBLIC CONTENT |
| [10:03:52] | <kaminski> | ikeda/glocom 20020725 "Don´t Make Spectrum a Private Property" http://www.glocom.org/special_topics/glocom_colloquium/20020725_ikeda_property/ |
| [10:05:45] | <Shirky> | |
| [10:05:51] | <clark> | what Gillmor says |
| [10:05:58] | <Michalski> | |
| [10:06:04] | <Freeburg> |  |
| [10:06:11] | <Michalski> | why, tom? |
| [10:06:26] | <Stout> | |
| [10:06:30] | <Robles> | |
| [10:07:00] | <Robles> | I have done that. |
| [10:11:21] | <Campbell> | LogNote: cas T17=6b start |
| [10:52:02] | <kaminski> | the new ice age: http://www.discover.com/sept_02/featice.html |
| [10:54:32] | <kaminski> | whoi occi "Can Global Warming Cause an ‘Ice Age’?" http://www.whoi.edu/institutes/occi/iceage.html |
| [10:57:12] | <Elin> | Network is up... |
| [10:57:59] | <kaminski> | (repost) WHOI OCCI "Can Global Warming Cause an ‘Ice Age’?" http://www.whoi.edu/institutes/occi/iceage.html |
| [10:59:48] | <clark> | we´re going to get cold! we´re going to get cold! |
| [11:00:48] | <Berry> | Buy Polartec and L.L. Bean |
| [11:01:04] | <Robles> | |
| [11:05:24] | <Shirky> | |
| [11:05:38] | <Shirky> | emotion is the best tool we have for traversing large search spaces |
| [11:06:15] | <Elin> | |
| [11:12:50] | <Campbell> | test |
| [11:13:39] | <Berry> | test |
| [11:15:45] | <Elin> | .. |
| [11:17:36] | <kaminski> | sterling: http://freeagentecosystem.com/ |
| [11:22:09] | <kaminski> | "Rules for Radicals: A Practical Primer for Realistic Radicals by Saul D. Alinsky ISBN: 0679721134" - recommended by Tom Peters in http://www.fastcompany.com/online/44/rules.html |
| [11:23:32] | <Elin> | .. |
| [11:26:44] | <clark> | inflate currency, bonds devalued, insurance carriers also have financial crisis... |
| [11:27:30] | <cook> | |
| [11:27:40] | <clark> | battles between bond holders and banks as to priority |
| [11:30:13] | <Campbell> | LogNote: cas change T17-T18 |
| [11:31:15] | <Berry> | So there´s the real world, and then there´s Wall St... |
| [11:32:46] | <Shapiro> | Enter/? |
| [11:34:37] | <Michalski> | actually, Eldred v Ashcroft will only lessen a terrible regime |
| [11:34:47] | <Michalski> | it will take something different to change our culture for the better |
| [11:35:00] | <Michalski> | Eldred v Ashcroft: http://eldred.cc/ |
| [11:35:48] | <Michalski> | but they could say *all* the extensions are invalid? |
| [11:35:52] | <Weinberger> | http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/works/lessig/eldred/us_resp/us.doc.html |
| [11:36:28] | <Gillmor> | unlikely that all previous extensions will be found invalid |
| [11:36:38] | <Weinberger> | http://lawschool.stanford.edu/~erika/eldred.shtml |
| [11:40:20] | <Michalski> | Dan, I didn´t know that was on the table |
| [11:40:30] | <Michalski> | who are we? is a great question |
| [11:43:09] | <Elin> | .. |
| [11:47:05] | <Shirky> | the economist has an interesting article on the real estate bubble in the last issue |
| [11:48:11] | <Shirky> | http://www.economist.com/search/search.cfm?qr=%22real+estate%22&area=1&cb=46&Submit2=Go |
| [11:50:46] | <Shapiro> | the Grateful Dead, Janis Ian, Chuck D |
| [11:53:19] | <clark> | steve kamman here borrowing a machine - we don´t need a big name star to champion net-based music, we need to create a big name star using the net. We need one artist who gets big through a song passed by e-mail through colleges and high schools and rolling stone and virgin records totally misses it until its in their face. |
| [11:53:32] | <Weinberger> | Porter vs. Roxane Celebrity Deathmatch! |
| [11:55:23] | <Petrovic> | God gave Porter his share, and my share, of seratonin  |
| [11:56:05] | <Weinberger> | Of those three, one is defunct, one hasn´t had a hit in 30 years. We need * |
| [11:56:35] | <Weinberger> | ...a *mainstream* band or 2 to go Web... |
| [11:57:13] | <Weinberger> | And, yes, steve, I agree that we need that also. |
| [11:57:59] | <clark> | Kamman: Janis Ian, Courtney Love (someone got links?) |
| [11:58:43] | <Black> | http://www.janisian.com |
| [11:59:07] | <Michalski> | I put a list of links here on my site: http://www.sociate.com/Must-See/Read/read.shtml |
| [11:59:24] | <Shapiro> | http://www.hhrc.org |
| [11:59:29] | <Robles> | I am with Porter  |
| [11:59:45] | <Shapiro> | http://www.hrrc.org corrected |
| [12:00:43] | <kaminski> | Phil Agre archive: http://commons.somewhere.com/rre/ |
| [12:01:01] | <clark> | http://dlis.gseis.ucla.edu/people/pagre/rre.html |
| [12:01:26] | <clark> | (sorry, that´s Red Rock eaters) |
| [12:02:46] | <Shapiro> | lots of GPS locator devices are being introduced |
| [12:03:11] | <Shirky> | GPS isn´t presence |
| [12:03:18] | <Shirky> | gps is "where are you?" |
| [12:03:23] | <Shirky> | presence is "are you there?" |
| [12:03:42] | <Shapiro> | child and pet locator devices use GPS |
| [12:03:43] | <Aizu> | what is then "I am here" |
| [12:04:13] | <Shirky> | "push presence"? |
| [12:04:34] | <clark> | good decisions don´t show up as "BEST" for years |
| [12:06:25] | <Elin> | |
| [12:06:55] | <Elin> | |
| [12:06:57] | <Elin> | |
| [12:06:59] | <Elin> | |
| [12:07:13] | <Shapiro> | Thanks David!!!! |
| [12:07:26] | <Michalski> | |
| [12:07:30] | <Shapiro> | |
| [12:07:45] | <Cukier> | |
| [12:08:00] | <Robles> | |
