← Big Hook 2012 | Thursday, August 30 →
| Aug 29 | 6:45 AM |
| davidi |
good morning world |
| Aug 29 | 6:50 AM |
| davidi |
yo doc |
| Aug 29 | 8:05 AM |
| Room D. |
hello from display |
| Aug 29 | 8:15 AM |
| Doc S. |
Hello, Display. Getting ready to head out from Boston here... |
| Aug 29 | 8:25 AM |
| Sascha M. |
jumping on a plane momentarily... there around lunch time if all goes well. |
| Aug 29 | 8:55 AM |
| Jerry M. |
get inside the plane, Sascha. jumping on it might just destabilize things |
| Aug 29 | 10:20 AM |
| davidi |
ping |
| Aug 29 | 11:10 AM |
| davidi |
ping again |
| davidi |
hi "Judi entered the room" |
| Judi C. |
hi David, hi Jerry |
| Aug 29 | 1:15 PM |
| davidi |
Welcome to BigHook (it's officially starting now) |
| davidi |
!!! |
| Jerry M. |
all the 'Hookers settling in now... |
| Jerry M. |
with Choro das 3 as musicians in residence this year: http://www.chorodas3.com.br/#!__english |
| Aug 29 | 1:25 PM |
| Robin C. |
maybe the CIA can learn from us |
| Aug 29 | 1:30 PM |
| Doc S. |
Is there a human repellant? |
| Aug 29 | 1:35 PM |
| Simon M. |
The horseflies ARE the people repellent |
| Brewster K. |
"Please be in the room" nice way to put it. |
| Dane J. |
THIS room? |
| Aug 29 | 1:40 PM |
| Doc S. |
I worry about David hooking his head on that lure... |
| Monica W. |
I was thinking the same thing! |
| Herman W. |
Me too |
| Robin C. |
is that a new bigger lure? |
| Jerry M. | |
| Aug 29 | 1:45 PM |
| Doc S. |
Scott has the best email address: sob@harvard.edu |
| Jerry M. | |
| Jerry M. | |
| Jerry M. |
(the Wired Broadband Cowboy link is that last link I put here) |
| Aug 29 | 1:50 PM |
| Jerry M. |
1/3 of Detroit has been reclaimed by nature! yow |
| Scott B. |
the barbs on the lure are covered |
| Scott B. |
re - david snagging head |
| Jerry M. | |
| Jerry M. | |
| Doc S. |
Um... try 65. |
| Herman W. |
The world beyond the digit six (a new book by David P Reed) |
| Doc S. |
Oh, to be 6 (ty) again... |
| Aug 29 | 1:55 PM |
| Doc S. |
David, at an earlier Big Hook: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:David_P_Reed.JPG |
| Jerry M. |
sorry for the borked link to the End-to-End paper |
| Doc S. | |
| Herman W. |
Interdata...like that |
| Doc S. |
"We have no interdata" - DP Reed |
| Jerry M. | |
| Jerry M. |
too much on Andrew to put individual links here :) here he is, in context, in my Brain: http://webbrain.com/u/13Mx |
| Aug 29 | 2:00 PM |
| Judi C. |
from Baller Herbst list: Today Show, 1994: What is “the Internet”?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAV2Gjkhztg
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| Jerry M. | |
| davidi |
Solving Problems using Technology at KSG Harvard -- anybody got a url? |
| Aug 29 | 2:05 PM |
| Elliot N. |
yay. I need a line on some phones |
| Aug 29 | 2:10 PM |
| Elliot N. |
maybe rick can get the damn sim slot in this phone unsoldered. amazingly, it is soldered shut! https://ting.com/devices/Moto-Photon-Q |
| Judi C. |
trying to get into the super sekret innards, eh Elliot? |
| Judi C. |
Alas, Rick is in the "how many politicians does it take..." department. |
| Judi C. |
I doubt many know what a soldering iron is. Might be one of those "women's" things. |
| Elliot N. |
I use one to straighten my hair |
| Jerry M. |
that explains the hairdo, Elliot... |
| Robin C. |
what do you/we think about getting a pattent on those design/UI details? patentable? |
| Aug 29 | 2:15 PM |
| Judi C. |
@davidi, the link you requested re Solving Problems using Technology: http://www.hks.harvard.edu/degrees/teachin… |
| Jerry M. |
Tim's bio at the CRTC: http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/about/denton.htm |
| davidi |
thx j |
| Jerry M. | |
| Jerry M. | |
| Jerry M. | |
| Aug 29 | 2:20 PM |
| Jerry M. | |
| Robin C. |
what year was the first BH? |
| Judi C. |
we have pages going back to BH2000 |
| Judi C. | |
| Jerry M. |
if you're not convinced Tesla was the shit, read this: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/tesla |
| Jerry M. | |
| Aug 29 | 2:25 PM |
| Jerry M. | |
| Jerry M. |
my Brain online: bit.ly/MyBrain |
| Jerry M. | |
| Aug 29 | 2:30 PM |
| Jerry M. |
about the ITU trying to reg the Net: http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentar… |
| Jerry M. | |
| Jerry M. | |
| Jerry M. | |
| Aug 29 | 2:35 PM |
| Jerry M. | |
| Jerry M. | |
| Jerry M. | |
| Aug 29 | 2:40 PM |
| Jerry M. | |
| Jerry M. | |
| Jerry M. |
circuits? packets? meet spackets! |
| Herman W. |
Are there Internet atheists in the rokm? |
| Susan C. |
"ting invites sprint customers to switch to cheaper plans" http://www.mobileburn.com/20367/news/sprin… go elliot! |
| Jerry M. | |
| Jerry M. | |
| Aug 29 | 2:50 PM |
| Jerry M. | |
| Simon M. |
yes |
| Brewster K. |
rule of law -> corporate rule |
| Aug 29 | 2:55 PM |
| Scott B. |
corporations are people too |
| Scott B. | |
| Jerry M. | |
| Jerry M. |
Art Gaylord: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/art-gaylord/8/501/4a8 |
| Jerry M. | |
| Aug 29 | 3:00 PM |
| Jerry M. | |
| Jerry M. |
oops, I meant http://www.smartercapepartnership.com/ |
| Elliot N. |
cool shades |
| Jerry M. |
I think Roxane consciously avoids Intertube publicity. no profiles and a search turns up precious little... :) |
| Jerry M. | |
| Jerry M. |
and Doc in my Bwain <bwahahahaha!>: http://webbrain.com/u/13My |
| Aug 29 | 3:05 PM |
| Brough |
http://www.gildertech.com/public/Telecosm%202003/SpeakerBios/Googin.htm
for some on Roxanne
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| Elliot N. |
they are wasting all of their time and money |
| Elliot N. |
I say let 'em |
| Jerry M. |
they don't know how to show up as peers and build authentic relationships. they're afraid |
| Jerry M. | |
| Jerry M. | |
| Aug 29 | 3:10 PM |
| Doc S. |
I like "surveil the surveillors," even though I dunno how to spell either. |
| Aug 29 | 3:10 PM |
| Sascha M. | |
| Sascha M. | |
| Jerry M. |
for anyone not in the room here, some Choro das 3 to play along: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEI2UfMuyx4 |
| Aug 29 | 3:45 PM |
| Brough | |
| davidi |
ping |
| Brough |
pong |
| Jerry M. | |
| Jerry M. |
Robin in my Brain (many links): http://webbrain.com/u/13Mz |
| Aug 29 | 3:50 PM |
| Elliot N. |
robin at TED earlier this summer http://blog.ted.com/2012/06/28/introducing… |
| Doc S. |
Robin co-founded Zipcar, btw. |
| Jerry M. |
why build flyovers in India? they provide kickbacks, patronage, a place to put your name across the city and more. they serve all sorts of non-valuable purposes :) |
| Elliot N. |
did you see robin *sigh* when steve said "legal structures"? that is the universal response. bleh |
| Jerry M. |
ooo, Propertarianism |
| Elliot N. |
I am starting to think that "necessary evil" is an oxymoron |
| Elliot N. |
tim just put 12 years of latin to use finally! |
| Jerry M. |
http://veniamworks.com/ (Vehicles In a Mesh) |
| Aug 29 | 3:55 PM |
| Elliot N. |
wayze I think it is called. |
| Elliot N. |
I want to introduce pablos' shades to roxanne's |
| Jerry M. | |
| Jerry M. | |
| Jerry M. | |
| Jerry M. | |
| Jerry M. |
who teaches at Berkeley, was a protegee of Charles Sanders Pierce and also wrote this: http://www.amazon.com/Symbolic-Species-Co-… |
| Jerry M. | |
| Aug 29 | 4:00 PM |
| Jerry M. |
Steve's blog: http://tingilinde.typepad.com/omenti/2011/… |
| Doc S. |
"our computation problems are bigger than our accelerator problems." -Steve Crandall (did I get that right? I don't hear so young...) |
| Elliot N. |
I smell UP |
| Aug 29 | 4:05 PM |
| Susan C. |
steve's cheap camera reminds me of http://publiclaboratory.org/home |
| Jerry M. |
Brett at Cardozo: http://www.cardozo.yu.edu/MemberContentDis… |
| Robin C. | |
| Robin C. |
That's brett's book |
| Jerry M. |
and his book on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Infrastructure-Socia… |
| Steve C. |
The reason I asked about legal structures when Robin contrasted public and private actors vs individual actors is it seemed to me the legal structures often get in the way, so it may be necessary to change or overcome the existing legal structures in order to take advantage of the excess capacity. |
| Steve C. |
Or, perhaps, as Dwayne has done, simply find more favorable legal environments. I've had a desire to go to Porto, and this gives me an added reason. |
| Robin C. |
steve: absolutely correct. simple examples: license plates and car insurance. You are either commercial or personal use. ridesharing and carsharing where the driver/owner gets money, breaks the insurance and plates. |
| Robin C. |
pre-industrial revolution, sole proprietorships were everywhere and distinction between business (private) and personal intertwined. Lots and lots of rules to separate them for good reasons then when industry was dangerous and dirty. But now things have changed. |
| Aug 29 | 4:15 PM |
| Susan C. |
jerry, links for pat? |
| Jerry M. |
Matt in a YouTube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=houUIkCmP_Q |
| Jerry M. |
took me a while to find Pat's company, Susan. It's http://www.osisoft.com/ |
| Jerry M. |
Pat doesn't appear to be a big user of LinkedIn, Twitter, Fb, etc. I suspect he has a real life |
| Susan C. |
here is Pat's project: http://www.sanleandro.org/depts/cd/bizdev/… |
| Brough | |
| Brough |
That's the blog for his fiber project |
| Aug 29 | 4:20 PM |
| Jerry M. | |
| Jerry M. |
http://www.gig-u.org is Gig.U |
| Aug 29 | 4:25 PM |
| Jerry M. |
Gwen's blog: http://www.gwennseemel.com/index.php/blog/ |
| Elliot N. |
bullfrogs! http://www.gwennseemel.com/index.php/blog/… |
| Jerry M. |
an apropos post of Gwen's http://www.gwennseemel.com/index.php/blog/… |
| Jerry M. | |
| Susan C. |
what's the link for lev's senior citizen gig project? I'm looking for refs and can't find them |
| Jerry M. |
http://fumijp.blogspot.com/ her blog |
| Jerry M. |
neat post-earthquake T-shirt: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fumi/6103387348/ |
| Aug 29 | 4:30 PM |
| Elliot N. |
related http://blog.safecast.org/ |
| Herman W. |
The analysis of gossip.... |
| Susan C. |
found this for lev: http://caseconnectionzone.org/ |
| Jerry M. |
Ram's bio at Afinias: http://www.afilias.info/biographies/ram-mohan |
| Elliot N. |
little known fact. Tucows acquired/merged with Infonautics in 2001 |
| Jerry M. | |
| Jerry M. |
my Brain sez that! I was gonna ask you, Elliot |
| Aug 29 | 4:35 PM |
| Hilary M. |
Can I mention the amount of malicious content on .info domains? |
| Monica W. |
This is a recent case study of senior use of the internet from IL: http://www.getseniorsonline.org/2012/06/su… |
| Aug 29 | 4:40 PM |
| Jerry M. |
have everyone left speak at the same time! |
| Jerry M. |
parallelize the process |
| Elliot N. |
oooh I like that |
| Elliot N. |
procrastinate! yes! |
| Elliot N. |
I am in! |
| Jerry M. |
then we can have Mohan's Babelfish processor deconstruct the threads |
| Jerry M. |
and publish them in Arabic script |
| Jerry M. | |
| Elliot N. |
and in kindle form! yay publisher |
| Elliot N. |
DOC! WAKE UP! |
| Jerry M. |
Bruce in my Brain: http://webbrain.com/u/133p |
| Elliot N. |
and the technology level sucks too |
| Robin C. |
security theater is what TSA is all about |
| Sascha M. |
Robin: +1 |
| Elliot N. |
yay toronto |
| Elliot N. |
americans never get it |
| Sascha M. |
Real Americans would never admit getting a Canadian joke, even if we did. |
| Aug 29 | 4:45 PM |
| Elliot N. |
and as soon as a canadian IS funny, you just call him american! |
| Jerry M. | |
| Jerry M. |
TSA = The Security Actors? |
| Doc S. |
You know how to find the Canadian at a bar riight? |
| Jerry M. | |
| Doc S. |
You step on everybody's foot, and the one who apologizes is the Canadian. (as told to me by a Canadian, of course...) |
| Doc S. |
Western Massachusetts is the Canada of Massachusetts. |
| Jerry M. |
it has the politest people? |
| Brough | |
| Doc S. |
Yes. It is the non-Boston. |
| Elliot N. |
studying a broken process is sadly just bad data |
| Ram M. |
Hilary, yes .info had been under attack awhile, and had led to great learning on rapid responses that still last over time |
| Jerry M. |
boy, Aparna is invisible on teh Goog |
| Aug 29 | 4:50 PM |
| Sascha M. |
Obama (right now) on Reddit: "Internet freedom is something I know you all care passionately about; I do too. We will fight hard to make sure that the internet remains the open forum for everybody - from those who are expressing an idea to those to want to start a business. And although there will be occasional disagreements on the details of various legislative proposals, I won't stray from that principle - and it will be reflected in the platform." |
| Rick W. |
Jerry, that deserves to change soon enough. |
| Hilary M. |
Ram Mohan: |
| Hilary M. |
I would love to hear more about that |
| Elliot N. |
obama can start by firing victoria espinel |
| Jerry M. |
yes, Rick. please to help reverse this trend |
| Elliot N. |
dane lays fiber! |
| Jerry M. | |
| Jerry M. | |
| Ram M. |
Hilary, happy to share more. There is a lot going on, but a lot more to learn |
| Elliot N. |
old ISP saying: "my ISP sucks less" (from a t-shirt avi freedman used to wear) |
| Jerry M. |
I want Sonic to come to our hood! (Noe Valley in SF) |
| Aug 29 | 4:55 PM |
| Jerry M. |
everyone here is on a high-fiber diet. digestion must be very good |
| Jerry M. |
(I mean everyone at Bighook, not Noe...) |
| Brewster K. | |
| Jerry M. | |
| Jerry M. |
hey! he beat me to it! |
| Doc S. |
All hail the Internet Archive. What a grace of civilization. |
| Hilary M. |
+1! |
| Jerry M. |
Brewster in me Brain: http://webbrain.com/u/13N0 |
| Monica W. |
Way back Machine love |
| Jerry M. |
to me, Brewster is the Ben Franklin of our time |
| Jerry M. |
did they have to kill off all remaining Balinese to be sure they really had everything written in the language? |
| Doc S. |
Cool on Brewster in Jerry's brain. Muy cool. |
| Doc S. |
American Indian Reservations as Copyright Free Zones. (Inverse of reservations?) |
| Aug 29 | 5:00 PM |
| Jerry M. | |
| Elliot N. |
pablos is also a salsa dancer extraordinaire http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1842653 |
| Elliot N. |
I have seen it with my own eyes |
| Doc S. |
In 1985, my landlord in Palo Alto was a top antenna scientist at Lockheed. "Antenna science is pretty much done," he told me. Seems not. |
| Matthew R. |
Yes Doc... Sounds cool |
| Elliot N. |
it is a good thing dpr was sleeping for that |
| Elliot N. |
we could have seen a barroom brawl! |
| Elliot N. |
wow was that joke just sitting there |
| Aug 29 | 5:05 PM |
| Jerry M. |
Isaac also isn't very Googly. Here's a little snip: http://freenetworkfoundation.org/?page_id=156 |
| Robin C. |
speed and scale can be accomplished when you do what I'm calling PEERS INCORPORATED (my July ted talk not yet online). Build a platform for pariticpation and then it can grow like wildfire (if you get the platform right) |
| Jerry M. |
and the project Isaac co-founded: http://freenetworkfoundation.org/ |
| Robin C. |
people-powered. and Empowering people. I think it is the only hope for solving our future urgent needs. |
| Robin C. |
Clay Shirky and I, and now Isaac have tlaked about this as a new word needed: cooperative but not requiring collaboration -- like parallel processing |
| Jerry M. |
Isaac *is* a hurricane! :) |
| Jerry M. | |
| Robin C. |
I gave this talk of industrial vs collaborative economies in March http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gK3IMdf2vBc |
| Jerry M. |
Jesse, are you related to Kenny at Bioneers? |
| Aug 29 | 5:10 PM |
| Elliot N. |
GREAT piece on the Internet and employment . really a must read http://edgeperspectives.typepad.com/edge_p… |
| Robin C. |
right. waht are the new jobs? but I had a great stat. In Paris, right before they put in sewers, there were 20,000 people employed as water carriers (in and out of houses) |
| Elliot N. |
didn't star trek:tng answer the jobs question? |
| Doc S. |
I like "macroscope." Some things can only be seen macroscopically. Such as the Net. Some are also examples only of themselves. Such as the Net. As with the universe, there's only one of it, and there is nothing else like it. |
| Jerry M. | |
| Aug 29 | 5:15 PM |
| Jerry M. |
lots on Andrew in my Brain: http://webbrain.com/u/13N1 |
| Elliot N. |
free pussy riot! |
| Elliot N. |
andrew, meet multi-stakeholder |
| Jerry M. |
I had nothing to do with gerrymandering! It's not even spelled like my name! |
| Robin C. |
martin geddes, you take a sweet picture (i.e. the picture of you is so sweet) |
| Herman W. |
hmmm how would jerrymichalskiing work? |
| Aug 29 | 5:20 PM |
| Jerry M. |
it would be statistically apportioned representation. I think 17 states have it now :) |
| Aug 29 | 5:20 PM |
| Judi C. |
heh, see his brain. That's how it works. |
| Elliot N. |
hilary has super powers http://www.businessinsider.com/25-powerful… |
| Jerry M. | |
| Aug 29 | 5:25 PM |
| Jerry M. |
she's in http://www.dataists.com/ |
| Aug 29 | 5:25 PM |
| Jerry M. | |
| Elliot N. |
Ting now is giving phones to http://www.nycresistor.com/ |
| Elliot N. |
let them hack. I decide what the TOS are! hehe |
| Jerry M. |
"educational experience" is a gentle euphemism, isn't it? |
| Elliot N. | |
| Herman W. |
"The Dark Net Rises" |
| Jerry M. |
what's the name of systems that improve w the introduction of more data? |
| Jerry M. |
missed it |
| Jerry M. |
about data scientists: http://www.forbes.com/sites/venkateshrao/2… |
| Jerry M. |
different name for this skill: data whisperer |
| Doc S. |
The Bitly shortlink for http://www.hilarymason.com/ is http://bit.ly/NCPxll |
| Ram M. |
Doc, many governments seem to want a new non macroscopic definition of the Net - the view rapidly gaining ground send to be that the net needs to be kept much more micro. |
| Jerry M. |
Pablos, I asked. the field is machine learning? |
| Elliot N. |
machine learning? |
| Elliot N. |
says pablos |
| Jerry M. |
tx |
| Brough |
Yes machine learning! |
| Doc S. |
I think she said machine learning is machine improvement by adding data. Sure I got that wrong. Please improve. |
| Aug 29 | 5:30 PM |
| Elliot N. |
at this point data scientists are made not found it seems |
| Simon M. |
Hal? |
| Jerry M. |
Bit.ly |
| Jerry M. | |
| Elliot N. | |
| Elliot N. |
what you read is not what you share |
| Elliot N. |
rt.ly |
| Dane J. | |
| Aug 29 | 5:35 PM |
| Elliot N. |
I would love to show you a live feed. right now 1) https://www.sensenetworks.com/products/mac… |
| Elliot N. |
oops. that mixed cab sense with 1/2 a comment |
| Doc S. |
Top rt.ly search for me http://rt.ly/#q=Doc%20Searls is "Top 20 Colleges for Potheads." Oddly, I'm not mentioned. |
| Doc S. |
http://rt.ly/#q=Big%20Data Keep re-running it. Changes. Love to see trends for each find. |
| Jerry M. | |
| Doc S. |
The Live Web: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2008/09/2… |
| Aug 29 | 5:40 PM |
| Hilary M. |
Doc Searls: rt.ly only keeps links for 24 hours after last click |
| Aug 29 | 9:30 PM |
| Doc S. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropocene Just saying. |
| Aug 29 | 11:00 PM |
| Pablos H. |
Anybody still up? |
| Aug 29 | 11:10 PM |
| Simon M. |
nope :) |
| Pablos H. |
Bummer. |
| Pablos H. |
This town doesn't seem to have much of a nightlife! |
| Aug 29 | 11:15 PM |
| Doc S. |
It's night. We're alive. That about covers it. |
| Aug 29 | 11:20 PM |
| Pablos H. |
Anybody want to walk the streets with me and see if anything is still open? |
| Pablos H. |
My bedtime doesn't roll around for another six hours! |
| Aug 29 | 11:30 PM |
| Doc S. |
Love to, but I gotta crash. |