CHAT TRANSCRIPT FOR MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 8, 2014

Epad Mac:11:43 Start of the pad
Epad Mac:11:44 Test
Jon Lebkowsky:13:58 Chat within a chat.
Epad Mac:14:03 The chat is another alternative
Sascha:14:06 word!
Jon Lebkowsky:14:07 The chat might be less of a mess than we're creating on the left.
Harold F.:14:07 good point
Sascha:14:09 Wait, I missed that, did David say something?
Harold F.:14:09 my usual problem is keeping myself in check.
Sascha:14:10 I hadn't been thinking about last week's XKCD until David told me not to look at it.
Christopher Mitchell:14:10 It involves turtles... all the way down.
isen:14:12 chat
isen:14:12 chat
enoss:14:12 clearly chat should be here, not over there. my bad
enoss:14:12 clearly chat should be here, not over there. my bad
Jon Lebkowsky:14:12 Yep.
db:14:13 chaty chaty chat chat
Christopher Mitchell:14:13Definitley easy to miss people making changes on the right
Christopher Mitchell:14:13 on the left.
Jon Lebkowsky:14:14 Process is such a timesuck.
Brough:14:15 chat
Jorge:14:15 Chat
Jorge:14:16 test
Christopher Mitchell:14:16Given the many limitations (chat is a side feature of this, doesn't work on iOS well, or surface, etc - I wouldd prefer campfire.
sob:14:16 testing
Nadia:14:16 testing. woop woop. Im in
enoss:14:16 you are in
Jorge:14:16 Test
enoss:14:17 @chris, what is the issue in ios? I am not seeing it
enoss:14:17 other than it being tiny
Jorge:14:17 test
Christopher Mitchell:14:17 As the etherpad grows, Matt found that it crashes the browsers on his iPad
Robin:14:17 you all have to read Rick Whitt's comment
enoss:14:18 we could call it a wiki! it may catch on
Robin:14:18 It is in purple, in the wikisdie
Robin:14:18 It is in purple, in the wikisdie
Christopher Mitchell:14:19 We should use a timer
Rick:14:19 i guess I'm in purple. I find it distracting trying to look everyone up based on color.
Christopher Mitchell:14:19Intros are fun, but last year we spent a LOT of time on them
Rick:14:20 intros should be 90 seconds each
Sascha:14:21 Rick: +1
enoss:14:21 I love that! cape cod, where presidential vacations make the news
Harold F.:14:21 I cn talk real fast.
Rick:14:21 i love them too, but they eat into the time.
Christopher Mitchell:14:22 I was insprired by a column Sean wrote when I was in high school. I
Harold F.:14:25 As a double agent, spying for us, right?
Rick:14:25 maybe we should ask everyone in their intros to relate their bio to an example of or challenge to trust.
Harold F.:14:26 Rick, I like that. will try when is my turn.
Robin:14:31 That is a really interesting idea: that other people can ruin your trusted status.
Harold F.:14:32 Worse, it is a deliberate strategy. See this often in policy.
Sascha:14:34 Anyone else having trouble posting -- Matt says IOS may have issues.
Jon Lebkowsky:14:34 I was dropped and had to reload.
Jon Lebkowsky:14:35 A couple of times, actually.
Jon Lebkowsky:14:35 The USA has an autoimmune disease.
Harold F.:14:36 Go blogs!
Matt:14:36 Not able to post test
Matt:14:36 Not able to post test
Matt:14:37 this is Matt! NOT Jorge!?!?!? Any fix for this?
enoss:14:37 see if chatting in spanish works
Matt:14:38 Okay, am I Matt now?
Jon Lebkowsky:14:38 You seem to be.
Matt:14:38 W00t!!!
Matt:14:38 iOS is now functioning... Sort of... Refreshes necessary
Jon Lebkowsky:14:39http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/16/alexa-obrien-bradley-manning_n_3086628.html
enoss:14:43 you can learn more about the US on RT and more about Russia on US t media
enoss:14:43 and most about both on reddit
Jon Lebkowsky:14:44https://www.publicknowledge.org/author/harold-feld
Christopher Mitchell:14:45Harold's writing is both wonky and fun. See if you can get half the geek references... -http://www.wetmachine.com/tales-of-the-sausage-factory/
Christopher Mitchell:14:47 So if we have a civil war, it will be Harold's fault...
Jon Lebkowsky:14:47 Good to know who to blame!
Harold F.:14:52 I can't believe I forgot to plug my blog. Thanks Chris!
Harold F.:15:00 Similar to how drug companies don't like to do vaccines.
Harold F.:15:00 Vaccines are one time sale. But treatment drugs are revenue forever.
Christopher Mitchell:15:02 I thought I was familiar with Bill Binney's story - it was featured on "On the Media" last year:http://www.onthemedia.org/story/312932-role-model-security-savvy-journos/transcript/
Harold F.:15:12 I practice Treebeard politics.
Harold F.:15:12 "I am not altogether on anyone's side, because
Harold F.:15:12 no one is altogether on my side."
Harold F.:15:12 no one is altogether on my side."
ella:15:14 *sits quietly in the corner with her red and black star*
db:15:15 @ella - I forgot to bring all of mine!
Christopher Mitchell:15:23 The vast majority of human interactions are peaceful. It is just that the warlike ones are interesting an we write books about them. Not actually the standard human behavior.
enoss:16:11 that is so bizarre as to be surreal
Christopher Mitchell:16:12Susie is pretty active on Twitter -https://twitter.com/susie_c
Harold F.:16:13http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susie_Cagle
Matthew Rantanen:16:22 Now Full name...
enoss:16:23 people being scared to act has always been true
enoss:16:26 that hourglass explanation was simple and all that was needed
Christopher Mitchell:16:26 I'm not seeing ella's red and black star...
db:16:29 I heard it tho!
ella:16:29 Christopher: they're metaphorical today. :-)
db:16:31 these'll have to be on the merch table next year:http://www.akpress.org/anarchosynidicaliststarpin.html
Epad Mac:16:33 Intro: Rick Whitt
Epad Mac:16:34 Intro: Levi Maaia
Epad Mac:16:37 Intro: Roxanne Googin
Harold F.:16:37 Levi, your argument is similar to Akerloff in "The Market For Lemons."
Harold F.:16:37 Inability to trust means consumers must act as if everyone is lying. Government rule creates functioning market.
Rick:16:40 There's no such thing as a "free market." Governments (or other bodies) must create the institutions and rules that enable markets to function.
Epad Mac:16:40 Intro: Jorge Ortiz
Epad Mac:16:40 Intro: Jorge Ortiz
Christopher Mitchell:16:41 On markets and creating them: good book is"Surprising Desgn of Market Economies" by Alex Marshallhttp://www.alexmarshall.org/2012/09/25/my-new-book-surprising-design-of-market-economies-just-out/
Epad Mac:16:42 Intro: Robert Pepper
Christopher Mitchell:16:42 Call him "Pepper"
Harold F.:16:45 Happy to skip Plenipot.
Harold F.:16:45 salute others who go.
Epad Mac:16:45 Intro: Art Gaylord
Epad Mac:16:47 Intro: Brough Turner
Christopher Mitchell:16:47"Bruff"
ella:16:50 ...if we can finally get steered-beam antennas out from ITAR's thumb it'll be amazing.
enoss:16:50 @ella do they have them?
Epad Mac:16:51 Intro: Nadia
ella:16:52 @enoss: they're a controlled item under weapons treaties, because they're what you need to reliably communicate with an in-flight steering missile or a spin-stabilized warhead.
enoss:16:55 @ella thanks. that is a tough argument to push back on. ugh
Epad Mac:16:55 Intro: Robin Chase
Epad Mac:16:58 Intro: Scott Bradner
ella:17:00 @enoss: Well, they've been restricted since the 70's. It's unclear that they're as important now in the software defined radio world. I hope we can unwind that now.
Epad Mac:17:01 Intro: Fumi Yaumazaki
Epad Mac:17:05 Intro: Doc Searls
Epad Mac:17:07 Intro: Jon Lebkowski
Epad Mac:17:09 Intro: Brewster Kahle
Epad Mac:17:09 Intro: Brewster Kahle
ella:17:10 systems that decentralize control.
Epad Mac:17:12 Intro: Tom Freeburg
Jon Lebkowsky:17:13 Canopy:http://www.wisptech.com/index.php?title=Unofficial_History_of_Canopy
Epad Mac:17:14 Intro: Chris Mitchell
Jon Lebkowsky:17:14 The Internet interprets government as damage and routes around it?
enoss:17:15 when governments attack harder it is evidence we are winning
Harold F.:17:15 NSFNet?
Jon Lebkowsky:17:15http://www.muninetworks.org/
Harold F.:17:15 Once government was the Internet.
Epad Mac:17:18 Intro: Pat Kennedy
ella:17:19 @Jon: The Internet interprets *governance* as damage and routes around it.
Jon Lebkowsky:17:20 That ruins the joke.
Robin:17:20 thinking about the private sector vs nonprofit in the sharing economy.
Epad Mac:17:21 Intro: Sascha Meinrath
Robin:17:21 I think it is the well done platforms for participation + skilled marketing that has made these get much higher adoption than local or ngo efforts
ella:17:22 @Jon: who's joking? ;-)
Robin:17:22 money and focus on consumers rather than mission is what has made these succeed.
Harold F.:17:22 We have slowly, and steadily moved spectrum policy. No small thing.
Epad Mac:17:22 Intro: Matthew Rantenen
Christopher Mitchell:17:23 Matt actually has planted an orchard: olives
Christopher Mitchell:17:23 Matt actually has planted an orchard: olives
Sascha:17:24 Harold -- amen to that -- though still waiting on 04-186 (my first FCC proceeding) to actually bring about sensing-alone TV White Space devices.
Robin:17:24 olives! now that is the long-term plan. How old before they start producing?
Epad Mac:17:25 Intro: Elliot Noss
Christopher Mitchell:17:25 Ting is awesome!
Sascha:17:25 Robin -- they just started -- matt has a bucket o' them this year... ask him for pix.
Christopher Mitchell:17:25 Matt just got an olive press - waiting at home for him to play with it
Robin:17:26 Matt, talk to my husband roy this evening about this
Christopher Mitchell:17:27 Elliot noted event next week in Springfield, Mass -http://www.bbcmag.com/springfield/
Epad Mac:17:27 Intro: Dewayne Hendricks
Christopher Mitchell:17:27 Muni Networks and Economic Development
Harold F.:17:27 If you're reading this, thank DeWayne.
Christopher Mitchell:17:29DeWayne and I did 3 podcast episodes on wireless stuff:http://www.muninetworks.org/tags/tags/dewayne-hendricks
enoss:17:30 get the democracy back from when?
enoss:17:30 when was it that we had it?
ella:17:30 who's we?
enoss:17:31 I am canadian so I was empathizing
enoss:17:31 but I will spot you the world and still don't believe you can tell me when
Christopher Mitchell:17:31 The goal is to make our future live up to how some romanticize the past
enoss:17:31 perhaps iceland post-2012
enoss:17:31 EXACTLY chris
enoss:17:31 EXACTLY chris
Harold F.:17:31 I refuse to surrender on the diea of a government that is of the people, by the people and for the people.
ella:17:31 ah, no, i mean some folks maybe had it for a while, but only a few.
enoss:17:32 you don't have to surrender the idea,but I do think you have to accept that it is an ideal not yet realized
Harold F.:17:32 of course. And never fully realized.
Harold F.:17:32 But the more we make it real, the more real it becomes.