BigHook 2016 Slack Channel

yo!

hello

welcome welcome!

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hello world

ah!

judi -- How do we hide the left hand menu bar for the big screen

world to davidi: hello!

hello judic

easiest way: stretch the screen and move that part off to the left

@davidi uploaded a file: and commented: Here's a picture

oooh aaaah

this was NOT photoshopped.

the rainbow came right down where the pot of gold was.

your left-hand menu disappearing suggestion did he trick, thanks!

Thank you very much.

I just see "general" now

Way good

@judic has renamed the channel from "general" to "bighook-2016"

I renamed channel to make it easy to archive when the conference is done

ahoy

we are back

maybe temporry

ahoy-hoy

@davidi see on the left col how andy's amaffei is a hollow dot, meaning that ID is away?

wooo hooo! the heady speed of these intertubez!

we're getting about 4x the speed of 5 mins ago!!!

that's nice.

wait until you get 40 more people testing it out.

good that Comcast is playing nicely!

the basic net just got 4x faster thx to our friend at Comcast

that is - our basic net connection

boa tarde a todos

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Hi and welcome Levi!

and @brough and @cayden

Hi Judi! This is cool. Like an evolved IRC channel.

indeed it is @levi. Should be good for BigHook. You can even send direct messages to people if desired

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Hello Levi & Scott!

(and Brough and Cayden!)

levi, it's evolved irc with external gills. and some plugins

There are now NO STORM WARNINGS for all of southern New England.

Hi David. No travel issues from the storm here. Flights were on time!

BigHook is good to go!!!

hey y'all!

Jerry, what are external gills?

also emoji. :sunglasses:

early primitive amphibians had them. I was working the emergent theme...

Ahh :grinning:

see Axolotl or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/External_gills

Also you can add photos, spreadsheets, and all kinds of objects to the Slack chat

I thought maybe I missed a new web tech

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Good afternoon Professor Odlyzko!

http://gills.net - a new app you can get all caught up in :slightly_smiling_face:

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Good golly ms Lucy!

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Guess I'm supposed to be here

How's the weather?

overcast and damp here in Blu-gene

Hi @lellel you're not at BigHook?

sunny and warm-ish in Casualfornia

Still in Oregon I fly out at 5

u betcha

did that and also set it so if the cursor is in the upper righthand corner, the screensaver won't kick in

thank you @jerrym for waking up the room display

thanks, judic, I didn't realize you'd asked me to do that directly. just read the pop-up :slightly_smiling_face:

np @jerrym I can be sneaky like that, but better here because everyone learns something

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aye!

Mr. Weinberger! Welcome to the Hook of Bigness chat

howdy, Big Slackers!

Embiggening the Hook Since 2000 <tm>

Looking forward to seeing you all. I'm coming with people who are leaving from Logan at 6:30am, so with luck we'll be there before 10am, ready to get our hook on!

Hey Judy - you might want to point folks at the phone apps as well - I tend to read my slack feeds on the iphone - faster and easier to switch contexts or include photos. (syas she while typing in a firefox window)

Oh, @lellel is Lucy! I get it.

thanks for suggestion @lellel I will.

my initials doubled since Lucy is always gone :wink:

are bighookers in Woods Hole already?

many are

a few

what? the core team isn't many? How is this?

We've got a few . . . Jerry, Dewayne and some locals.

lucky devils.

Say hello to Dewayne for me.

@davidi, are you ready to control the outbreak of anti-Trumpism that has overtaken just about every conversation I

ve had in the past year?

(Note: I am what I refer to as extreme, extreme anti-Trump, fwiw)

dunno . . . but I'm all for thinking NEW thoughts and saying new, original, insightful things

As Szent Gyorgyi once said, Discovery consists of seeing what everybody else has seen but thinking new thoughts about it.

I won't have much patience for thoughts that have already been expressed on MSNBC, Kos or TPM.

A few helpful Slack pages: https://get.slack.help/hc/en-us/articles/217626598-Getting-around-faster https://get.slack.help/hc/en-us/articles/213893898-Changing-how-messages-are-displayed and https://get.slack.help/hc/en-us/articles/201746897-Slack-apps-for-computers-phones-tablets

There are NO STORM WARNINGS of any kind in southern New England at this time.

Thanks, @judic. That's very helpful.

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Yo, enoss!

woof. still experiencing delays into BOS. sitting on the tarmac in chicago -- fingers crossed

pushing the sunny skies eastward for @cayden

The last bus

The last bus from Boston Logan to Woods Hole leaves Logan at 7:20 PM. If Cayden is later than this, can somebody pick them up tonight???? (Just working the scenarios here)

Or of you're arriving later this evening and renting a car to Woods Hole?

Hopefully Cayden will get to BOS well before 7:20.

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Hello Pat Kennedy!

no worries @davidi; i'm carpooling with herman. hoping he waits for me. :grin:

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Awaiting Brett, who we?ll ferry to Woods Hole in the morning. Should make lunch.

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Just checked into my hotel. I think I'll wander over soon

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Howdy all. See you tomorrow noon.

Hi @dsearls @jlivingood @shuli @david.reed

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hi all

YAST

Hi @dangillmor YAST? Yet another software tool?

Yet Another Slack "Team"

actually like it -- IRC on steriods

right. The BigHook slack team.

Great to be coming back...on Rt 3 now (not driving, just in case anyone wondering...)

@judic set the channel purpose: This channel is for BigHook-wide communications. All participants are in this channel.

If you're in Woods Hole, there's a pretty good dinner now being explored buffet style out here at the Airplane House!

And a few bottles of wine, some beer, etc.

great conversation going on out here at the Airplane House . . .

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cory are you still there?

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Good morning, good morning!

Good morning!

One of the joys of BH is sharing excellent books, worth reading. Every year I come home with a list. This year's contribution from my side : " Double Entry" by Jane Gleeson-White. The marketing suggests it is about the dull issues of bookkeeping, the reality is a fascinating read how a particular method of recording flows of value shaped history

good morning! grabbing a breakfast sammy at pie in the sky -- have a little work to take care of, but feel free to join

Good morning Cayden and everybody!

We're all set up out here at the Airplane House, so feel free to wander out at your leisure

The first Official BigHook event is lunch at noon.

The first session starts at 1:30 PM. This, IMHO is THE MOST IMPORTANT session, because people introduce themselves. Since BigHook is much more about relationships than it is about information exchange, knowing who else is in the room is the very essence of the meeting.

Walking down from Sands of Time shortly. See you guys.

hi?

I've just posted an email I wrote in 2012 documenting some of the real-world results of BigHook

It's at http://isen.com/bighook/2016/BH16docs/BH-results.txt

hello all!

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hello heather and enoss

See everyone shortly!

+davidi the most recent example of BH inspiring a column came directly from a Harold Feld post to the mail list: http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2016/08/25/fcc_support_for_hackable_wireless_routers_is_a_win_for_all_of_us.html

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Lunch is served.

Lunch is unserved!

@ cayden http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/23209924-the-water-knife

Music happened, The start

Not that there?s anything wrong with that.

If someone sitting next to you doesn't have access to slack and didn't receive an invite, please send me a direct message and we'll get that taken care of.

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thanks @judic !

hi and welcome @wseltzer!

millenials! so unreliable :wink:

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It?s not about the transmission of information.

Greaat line: anonymity loves company

should we be keeping some rough notes in slack? E.g. Note: Big ideas from Big Hook: stuff BH knows about.

I like that idea.

Ayup

And now, let's hope for some companies that love anonymity

Note: End to End. Follow-on about the supposed change in Tor

Wondering if backchannels from years past are available, and useful.

?s positioning

henceforth the "N10" principle

yes @dsearls the backchannels from many years are archived and available

That?s cool.

more context on end-to-end: https://webbrain.com/u/19qG

Original End to End paper: http://web.mit.edu/Saltzer/www/publications/endtoend/endtoend.pdf

?Explain it to me like I?m a policy maker? version: http://www.worldofends.com

and @davidi riff on it that got him "removed" from AT&T http://www.isen.com/stupid.html

+1 The @davidi riff is where "stupid" became a term for the Net's architecture: "The Rise of the Stupid Network."

"N2N" is a Native to Native tag that is used by National Center for American Indian Economic Development.

End2end can also be explained as separating data (syntax/semantics) from meaning (context dependent sender receiver) from value. Credits Terrence Deacon.

Gardner is the house?s caretaker++

If anyone would like a FrieNDA copy of my next book, WALKAWAY, email

oh, *was* the house?s caretaker++

great book, @doctorow!

@doctorow's Walkaway is brilliant...

I still have a Cantenna I won at BH, oh, 15 yrs ago. http://www.cantenna.com/

Note: Ground rules explained. The first rule of BH is ...

article about goTenna: http://www.cnet.com/news/gotenna-creates-cell-network-out-of-thin-air-anywhere-on-earth/

@jlivingood nice tweaking! 270 down/28 up

:slightly_smiling_face:

The compromise of 2010, of which I reluctantly took part, was one of the most awful, soul-sucking experiences of my life.

The second rule of BH: Stay hydrated, folks!

the first is There Is No Bighook?

But it was highly educational wrt many things, including the uses of power.

Do we know who isn?t coming? Might help a little to know...

I?m not old. I?ve just been young a long time.

Nicola Greco is home with fever and stomach illness.

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Changeset Consulting: https://changeset.nyc/

Thank you, @wseltzer and @dangillmor !

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maintainership-as-a-service

"What is the deal with buffer overruns?"

Srsly. Biggest gripe I have is often that my colleagues love big ideas but no one wants to do nuts and bolts at FCC to make sure things work. Tech transition, Part 4 reporting, NG911 are super important to people's lives. But does anyone else want to do them? Noooo . . .

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GoTenna appears to basically be a murs radio that leaves out speakers and a mic in favor of using your phone's mic and speakers over bluetooth. It has the same range as murs. FCC approved as a Part 95 device.

Also, really wanted to go to Worldcon this year. *sigh* At least I made it to Pennsic.

murs = Multi-Use Radio Service https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-Use_Radio_Service

Licensing by rule is making a big comeback in recent years.

While engineer-centric development is a step forward in some ways, it's still got the unfortunate perpetual failure mode of causing organizations to build engineer-centric systems

It encodes audio data and sends packets between devices. There is some public key encryption scheme, and I don't recall how key exchange is done, but I recall it raised some logistics concerns.

@dymaxion +1

What does it mean to do infrastructure and systems work in an environment free of politics? All infrastructure is inherently political.

Note: Gradual power explained.

@dymaxion +1

?Leadership without easy answers"

(I think politics means many different things in this context; explaining what politics means in a given context can be useful)

@haroldfeld FWIW, in Slack, to +1 to a post go to the right and you can add reactions and stuff like that

at Tucows we love custom emojis. for those more talented than me https://get.slack.help/hc/en-us/articles/206870177-Create-custom-emoji

I wish the bit about body cameras driving things for good was true, but the research broadly shows they're either ineffective or increase violence

Some custom emojies from past BH photos: :dpr_explaining::isen_happy::isen_unhappy:

The Atlantic has some interesting coverage of body cam's sticky issues. https://www.google.com/search?q=atlantic+body+cameras&oq=atlantic+body+cameras&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l2.3628j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

with that frame, why is the Mexican Wall not analogous to Star Wars?

Star Wars had less of a racial resonance?

It might be that we can do body cams right, but I don't know any jurisdictions doing it.

Lots of police have already learned to shout "stop resisting"

@enoss Canadian Wall?

loves the reading lists that come out of bh. Keeping my library's "request this" open in another tab!

@enoss, may be that's why that idea is resonating with a significant cross section of the american population

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@dangillmor Reminds me of the South Park analog: Lookout, it's coming right for us!

13 seconds from mention in room until @davidw put it on the chat.

+1 on her work

@jamesvasile Also interesting is http://smallwarsjournal.com/blog/teaching-the-police-to-wage-the-%E2%80%9Cthree-block-war%E2%80%9D on the whole body cam thing

I call this "the demographic snake" It has been an obsession of mine for about 35 years when I learned demographics. I have been tracking it ever since.

"where are the channels for new companies to break through?"

It's like the system of capitalism reproduces structural control and always treats humans as a resource to mine and control.

Who has the power? Amazon, Facebook, Google, etc

i should perhaps also add that i'm stuck doing electoral work a lot of times because that's where philanthropic money is. i'm interested in shifting the innovation cycles away from (federal) electoral cycles.

Not sure where capitalism starts and stops. Some people see it as markets. Some people see it as inevitable monopoly capitalism.

@davidi introduces new facilities for de-hydrating.

chris, to complicate matters, there are many variants of capitalism: https://webbrain.com/u/10Pi

and that it evolves!

We can't save the environment without saving the Internet, though https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jun/15/internet-answer-questions-of-our-time

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Heather?s station: http://capeandislands.org/

@dymaxion set the channel topic: It's a big hook.

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HSM = hardware security module (in case anyone other than me didn't know)

A hardware security module (HSM) is a physical computing device that safeguards and managesdigital keys for strong authentication and providescryptoprocessing. These modules traditionally come in the form of a plug-in card or an external device that attaches directly to a computer or network server. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardware_security_module

comcast: http://www.xfinity.com/

Comcast Corporation (NASDAQ: CMCSA) is a global media and technology company with two primary businesses, Comcast Cable and NBCUniversal. Comcast Cable is one of the nation's largest video, high-speed Internet and phone providers to residential customers under the XFINITY brand and also provides these services to businesses. NBCUniversal operates news, entertainment and sports cable networks, the NBC and Telemundo broadcast networks, television production operations, television station groups, Universal Pictures and Universal Parks and Resorts.

Cough net neutrality cough

Cough lobbying against municipal networks cough

@doctorow +1

you seem to have a slight catarrh, cory :slightly_smiling_face:

The laudanum helps

I think problem is not Comcast, it is an economic system that seems inevitably predisposed to massive firms that have the wrong incentives relating to customer service and the network we want to leave to our children... among other things.

If Brian Roberts wanted to run Comcast like Ting is run, he would be out of a job pronto.

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I?d like to get Cory and James a whole bunch of beers.

Bourbon for me, pls. I have a flask of Five Roses cask strength in my room.

My job is to make sure Comcast and others have incentive to fix the damn mistakes.

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I mean, we could start by talking about the but where companies refuse to do their own basic research and lean on market structures instead...

@doctorow if single malt will get you by I have some talisker on site

Anything you collect may breach. Anything you retain WILL breach.

"Regulatory capture" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture

CALEA® Standards for Law Enforcement Agencies. Below is a comprehensive list of the titles of all Law Enforcement Standards. The 189 highlighted standards constitute the tier 1 option, CALEA® Law Enforcement Accreditation Program.

afaik CALEA does not require DPI

Hilarious that a government regulation has somehow acquired a Circle-R

@doctorow Talisker! God bless you sir!

Commission on Accreditation for Law Enforcement Agencies - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/.../Commission_on_Accreditation_for_Law_Enforc... Wikipedia The Commission on Accreditation for Law Enforcement Agencies, Inc. (CALEA) is a ... CALEA Accreditation standards provide the necessary reports and analyses a CEO needs to make fact-based, informed management decisions. CALEA ...

That?s more like it. And no trademark!

Your BH bot apologizes.

CALEA ® -- it's registered? the one we're thinking of is Communications Assistance to Law Enforcement Agencies, I think.

They'll just take the upstream and/or pop the routers, same as anyone else

Getting angry at Comcast for this stuff is like getting mad at a tiger for eating your livestock. It is in the tiger's nature. We need a system that doesn't create tigers.

Your BH bot has already corrected its error.

98+% of the "child porn" in the Swedish/Danish national blacklist wasn't child porn -- it was everything from sites about drugs to assisted suicide to online gambling etc

This is not a defense of Comcast, but I think getting too angry at them individually is a waste of energy

@christophermitchell +1, or a way to tamethe tiger.

maybe the CALEA-FBI axis can sue the CALEA® folks

Jason's one of the good guys...glad he's here.

@haroldfeld Not a fan of taming the tiger - for reasons that Barry Lynn will explain better than I could :smiley:

agree, it?s great that Chris is here

The cult of fiduciary duty turns corporations into Cthulhoid monstrosities https://twitter.com/doctorow/status/517708854680117248

Jason is the Comcast guy - not me. I am the one trying to destroy the incumbent monopolies.

ahhh, right, thanks for the correction :slightly_smiling_face:

It?s great that Chris is here nonetheless.

We have attained peak indifference to surveillance http://www.locusmag.com/Perspectives/2016/07/cory-doctorow-peak-indifference/

@christophermitchell to paraphrase Monty Python, I want a big hat that says "Tiger Tamer!"

But destroying the local monopolies good too.

Shuli?s portfolio: http://shulihallak.com/portfolio/

Civic Hall | The Home for Civic Tech in NYC http://civichall.org/ Civic Hall is a one-of-a-kind community center for civic tech innovators. Located in NYC, it provides a space to share knowledge, build tools and solve problems ...

@doctorow: I think some of that in the small is fiduciary duty, but that's also an instance of a forcing function that market-systems always are held hostage by

HuffPo on Barry from 2013: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mary-manning-cleveland/the-prophetic-work-of-bar_b_2571505.html

2016: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/barry-lynn-washington-corporations_us_57c8a6a7e4b0e60d31de6433

Cornered is one of the most amazing books I have read in terms of changing how I think. http://www.barryclynn.com/?page_id=25

can you paraphrase one of those ideas that stuck?

There is practically no market that has actual competition. There are lots of brands, often controlled by a small handful of firms

Wondering when Facebook's overwhelming dominance will get noticed by antitrust people: http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2016/05/11/republicans_are_upset_with_facebook_for_censoring_news_that_s_funny.html

so Amazon is intermediating formerly (more) direct connections, e.g. between authors and readers

Competition is not about market benefits, but also a working political system. Concentrated economic power leads to concentrated political power leads to concentrated economic power ...

Barry C. Lynn is an American journalist and writer. He is a senior fellow at the New America Foundation think tank in Washington, D.C., where he directs the Markets, Enterprise, and Resiliency Initiative. He has written extensively on globalization, economics, and politics for such publications ranging from The Financial Times and Forbes to Mother Jones and the Harvard Business Review.[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_C._Lynn

which was the speech you were recommending, Barry?

sidn: https://www.sidn.nl/a/sidn-services/registry-services/whois?language_id=2&langcheck=true

Barry Lynn is polite - don't interrupt him too much because you will miss the power of his ideas. He doesn't speak over people...

Isn't the Netherlands the second best represented country here?

I remember when the .ca registry required you to give them the lat/long of your server to the second

Canada?

Also they qualified all domains with province-based second-level domains, e.g. http://foo.on.ca

Although, Canada is only technically a separate country.

@wseltzer: https://www.warren.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=1169

One nation, under Canada

how many Canadians? 3 from Netherlands?

The Warren speech is amazing...

how many canadians living in canada is the more relevant question!

The dominance of FB, Amazon, Google and other digital platforms is one of the hot topics at the moment in antitrust policy circles. The problem has been that (as Barry Lynn can explain better than I) the means of dominance have challenged modern antitrust theory. Additionally, just pinning down the economics is hard.

@dangillmor it really was

It's not *just* a network effect. In fact, it is rarely a single factor, although patterns emerge.

@enoss enough to keep it interesting...

@wseltzer: @davidw i was actually in the room for the speech. It was very clear and powerful. Worth reading / watching

@haroldfeld: Does ?network effect? still refer strictly to the value of the presence of other people at a site, or has it taken on some broader meaning?

@davidw: definitely broader

@nickgrossman: Cool!

Shorthand for Metcalf's law to a first approximation

@dymaxion: Oh, I meant Metcalfe?s law. Thanks.

Double-entry bookkeeping was a radical force for transparency and contributed to the sidelining of the aristocracy http://boingboing.net/2014/06/24/how-accounting-forced-transpar.html

it's harder to measure the non-price effects of lack of competition

doctorow Great book, see references

and this by @dsearls https://medium.com/@dsearls/the-second-coming-of-double-entry-bookkeeping-786bc47113b4#.xwkifbxrk

@dymaxion ?although maybe closer to Reed?s Law: not the number of nodes but the number of actual relationships.

(although in the age of "engagement" and "value capture", Metcalf's law should be emended to "the value of a network is the square of the upside value per node left on the table by the group structuring the network")

and joi ito on same https://joi.ito.com/weblog/2016/04/26/reinventing-boo.html

Mary Poovey in her great book attributes the rise of facts (as a concept and tool) in part to the development of double entry bookkeeping. https://www.sidn.nl/a/sidn-services/registry-services/whois?language_id=2&langcheck=true

Damn, wrong link to Poovey: A History of the Modern Fact: http://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/H/bo3614698.html

@davidw: even inside the relationship count, there needs to be an accounting for value capture

Dan?s _We the Media_ http://www.oreilly.com/wethemedia/

Dan, in context: https://webbrain.com/u/17I5

Dan?s site: https://dangillmor.com/

Brewster Kahle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewster_Kahle Wikipedia Brewster Kahle is an American computer engineer, Internet entrepreneur, internet activist, advocate of universal access to all knowledge, and digital librarian.

Internet ARchive: https://archive.org/about/bios.php

summit: http://www.decentralizedweb.net/

aaaand Brewster in context: https://webbrain.com/u/13N0

?locking the web open? is a great motto

Big idea for the decentralised web:

How many zeros are in 500 billion - http://Answers.com http://www.answers.com ? WikiAnswers ? Categories ? Science ? Math and Arithmetic there are 11 zeroes 500 billion

something I co-wrote about Decentralized Web Summit: http://www.fastcompany.com/3061357/the-web-decentralized-distributed-open

how do we resist the re-centralization of any newly decentralized web?

since after all, we started decentralized

@wseltzer YES! That for me is the key question!

@wseltzer: I think it just happens in cycles, over and over

Another great article about the summit http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/08/technology/the-webs-creator-looks-to-reinvent-it.html?_r=0

About netBlazr http://www.netblazr.com/about-us/

Each time there is a different control point and freedom vector

http://www.decentralizedweb.net/'

@davidw, @nickgrossman yes, and can we move on an upward spiral to resist at least the known centralization incentives?

Boston Internet Providers That Aren't Comcast: netBlazr Concierge ... http://bostinno.streetwise.co/.../boston-internet-providers-that-arent-comcast-netblazr-concie... Aug 18, 2015 - NetBlazr Is Changing the Way We Connect to the Internet. The MassChallenge alum is offering an alternative to Comcast for entire residential ...

Robert Pepper - Cisco Blog http://blogs.cisco.com/author/robertpepper Cisco Systems Robert Pepper leads Cisco's Global Technology Policy team working with governments across the world in areas such as broadband, IP enabled services, ...

belay that link!

I've been a Facebook vegan since about 2006

This is NOT Pepper?s FB page: Dr Pepper Snapple Group | Facebook http://www.facebook.com ? Places ? Plano, Texas ? Food & Beverage Service & Distribution

The acronym is GAFA, is it not? Goog, Apple, FB, AZN

It's Pepper vs the Real Names policy and TM combined!

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Dr. Pepper

hint re links: http://isen.com/bighook/2016/participants.html

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good point, @judic !

If only the Facebook connect efforts weren't abusive imperialism. :-(

Poor Internet for Poor People

@wseltzer @davidw @brewsterkahle cryptocurrencies are the strongest inventives for decentralization I?ve seen, though there is still the potential for re-centralization on top of those, perhaps in new ways (mining consolidation, wealth inequality, etc)

If only the motives of individuals carried through to the works of the corporation

The scale of astroturfing and direct attacks against community activists that fb has engaged in during the fb connect work is pretty shocking

Google got in on the arm-twisting anti-NN program in India, too http://boingboing.net/2015/08/20/google-covertly-lobbied-agains.html

@nickgrossman Do you find MaidSafe promising?

Désirée: http://isen.com/bighook/2016/participants.html#miloshevic

I do not believe a Brexit will materialize

Zero rating doesn't benefit poor people http://www.hindustantimes.com/tech/dear-mark-zuckerberg-facebook-is-not-and-should-not-be-the-internet/story-w9S3uhnEYVP8L85EtbTqCO.html

@hermanw Why wouldn't it?

@davidw i haven?t looked super closely, but their model is a very common one these days

facebook zero rating in malaysia was lead gen. the CEO shared the story with a c-level mobile crowd. there was no public interest in the story he told

@davidw i suspect others on my team have looked more closely; I will check

Interesting to see a LOT more skepticism here (at least judging from this board) about Facebook than Comcast...

The Internet Governance Forum http://www.intgovforum.org/ Internet Governance Forum Welcome to the website of the Internet Governance Forum (IGF), a multistakeholder platform that enables the discussion of public policy issues pertaining to the ...

love bitcoin for transactions? would like to weave it into the decentralized web to help people make money be publishing on the web? not easy [ref p1473275864000443]

@dangillmor I've gone to enormous lengths to avoid both, but AFAIK Comcast is a US-only disaster....

@dangillmor: Comcast is a well-understood evil; Facebook is a new, less-understood evil

@brewsterkahle steemit has been the most interesting expdriment in that direction thus far

@doctorow the underestimation of what is involved will dawn gradually. May cleverly tied the failure to the 3 proponents, so when the public gets scared she can drop them

@brewsterkahle : I am not convinced by what MaidSafe is doing/promising, but it has woven in cryptocurrency as an incentive for publishing?a bit like Xanadu

@brewsterkahle one drawback in that granularity of payment could be granularity of new kinds of DRM

@doctorow And like my UK friends say "we are bred to expect disappointment"

@hermanw I hope you're right, but it's in EU's interest to force a swift, extremely punitive exit, and then admit Scotland, so that e.g. Madrid gets the message that if they pull out, the Catalans will be welcome

Elliot: http://isen.com/bighook/2016/participants.html#noss

@doctorow i have a FB account i check periodically (like once a month) from a VM that does nothing but run a locked down browser with a fake MAC address...mainly to see what they're doing.

maidsafe is ambitious. I think we can build a web on top of the existing web using javascript/webassemply which would up with upgrading smoothly. but whatever works.

I buy my domains from Hover

Me too.

same

Why? Because customer service and Elliot

Everyone should use Hover for their domains. Also Ting for mobile is wonderful. I buy from Elliot whenever possible...

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@doctorow There is large fraction of EU leaders that want a dreadfull public spectacular failure-in-the-making to last until elections are over. After that, clean up the mess. The punitive part is limited to Juncker and some others

@brewsterkahle am I remembering correctly you demoed some decentralized publshing thing last year?

@doctorow local elections in the countries, to keep right wing parties that also bank on immigration issues at bay

yes, demoed my blog served out of p2p systems. and what we saw at the summit was even better: [ref p1473276305000489]

Your BH Bot can?t find a Clinton?s speech that mentioned Ting, but here?s Clinton?s tech policy: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2016/06/27/hillary-clintons-initiative-on-technology-innovation/

@hermanw I hope you're right. But there's an insatiable UK Tory appetite for exit, and the EC is full of hardball players. Also, there's hard PIGS energy for exit and terrorizing the austerity nations into staying in is very high

@doctorow I have been known to be wrong before :slightly_smiling_face:. It is not clearcut, 60/40 imho.

I got sued by the Magicjack guy, once, and handed him his ass http://boingboing.net/2010/02/23/magicjack-dials-wron.html

My prior link has the Isenberg Magic Jack video on it.

brussels was no going in good directions on copyright, so more sovereign could help in that aspect (for the rest, I dont have much of an idea).

@Magic Jack's suit against BoingBoing become a chapter opener in one of my books. https://mediactive.com/9-0-chapter-9-laws-and-norms/

Note: musical interlude

@dangillmor Notwithstanding the Hargreaves report,the UK Tories are pretty dismal on copyright, too -- if anything, worse than EU

in a push for a non-common-currency: I wish SF had its own currency so it could inflate and deflate without having to give people raises and then the pain of reducing pay.

I would like to see what greece would do on copyright if given the opportunity.

@brewsterkahle what would you think greece would do on copyright?\

@desiree: claim IP on olive oil?

Demand the return of the Elgin marbles ..

Doesn't most Italian olive oil come from Greece anyway?

From grease???? Oh no!

Assert a patent on Pythagorean theories

Greek olive oil and Italy: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/07/31/what-you-dont-know-about-italian-olive-oil-also-explains-greeces-disaster-economy/

an amazing, unknown, children's book written by @davidw http://www.my100milliondollarsecret.com/books/acrobat/My100MillionDollarSecret_online.pdf

my kids LOVED it at 8-10

I quite enjoyed it too

Check is in the mail, @enoss

Steve: http://isen.com/bighook/2016/participants.html#smith

This?: http://www.dunross.se/Dunross/ This is Dunross. Dunross is an independent international investment group focused on Breakout Nations. At present, Dunross has twentyfive employees and ...

Ron: http://isen.com/bighook/2016/participants.html#mohan

Afilias is best known for technology that supports a wide range of top level domains on the internet. Specifically, Afilias runs the master directories and DNS for over 25 top level domains today, including: http://afilias.info/

does the scale of attacks drive concentration?

or vice versa?

What (state) actor would like to do this?

China?

Russian?

At this scale?

@hermanw china for sure. russia maybe. we see the same thing

Ram: seeing attacks for the purpose of profiling responses, rather than for immediate impact

I would think multiple protocols, randomized as to response, alternated regularly to defeat attacks without generating signatures.

Brett: http://isen.com/bighook/2016/participants.html#frischmann

@haroldfeld so like an immune system? More and more analogy to biology?

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We may need to insitutionalize war games for cyber defense.

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incremental copyright things that could help, and especially in countries like greece, estonia, iceland, norway? (nation that have their own languages): digitize everything published in that language; format shifting is allowed; digitize and lend over the net; legal deposit of digital materials (and then it can be mined in universities and libraries), and other fun things. @desiree

Evan Selinger - Rochester Institute of Technology https://www.rit.edu/cla/philosophy/Selinger.html Rochester Institute of Technology Jun 9, 2016 - Evan Selinger, Professor in the Department of Philosophy at the Rochester Institute of Technology, received his Ph.D. in Philosophy at Stony ... Evan Selinger http://eselinger.org/ Evan Selinger.

@haroldfeld: War games are interesting, but they're not actually great as defense design tools. There's a different discipline there.

@haroldfeld part of the challenge is that the attacks are specific and responses have to be specific, making randomized responses quite difficult

Infrastructure: The Social Value of Shared Resources - Brett M ... http://www.brettfrischmann.com/infrastructure_book Infrastructure: The Social Value of Shared Resources is available in hard cover, paperback, and for the Kindle. You can purchase the book from OUP, Amazon, ...

(See above)

@wseltzer scale of attacks used to drive concentration ... higher concentration may simply mean easier ways to knock systems over

?The Tao of Frischmann"

Biology has gone to decentralization and redundancy, and learning immune systems

(Sorry - the Tao quip was @enoss)

Fun fact: Scott had the first email address at Harvard. It was and is /

Scott Bradner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Bradner Wikipedia Scott Bradner is a senior figure in the area of Internet governance. He serves as the secretary to the Internet Society and was formerly a trustee. He is on the ..

Scott?s shipbuilding page: http://www.sobco.com/ship_model/index.html

Maybe Scott?s uneconomic internet articles (pdf) http://www.sobco.com/papers/ieeecon.uneconomic.pdf

Personal note: Scott is indeed an incredibly generous teacher. He has been incredibly patient with me over the years.

Eleanor: http://isen.com/bighook/2016/participants.html#saitta

actually my 1st email address was sob@harv10 (1970)

@rmohan uploaded a file:

I work on both security and systems failures at a number of different scales. I've spent more than a decade thinking about threat modeling and application security in an enterprise context. As I've started working with at-risk communities directly, I've realized that we know far less than we should about how to actually keep people safe. Without both that direct engagement and a broad, contextual understanding of how these systems fit into the world, this is unlikely to change. In my day to day work, I help teams and projects to share this understanding, but this only scales so far. https://www.patreon.com/Dymaxion

Steve Crocker - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Crocker Wikipedia Stephen D. Crocker is the inventor of the Request for Comments series, authoring the very first RFC and many more. He received his bachelor's degree (1968) ...

Steve: http://isen.com/bighook/2016/participants.html#scrocker

*Plan to Transition Stewardship of Key Internet Functions Sent* ... - Icann https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2016-03-10-en ICANN Mar 10, 2016 - The plan provides a comprehensive package to transition the U.S. Government's stewardship of these technical functions, called the IANA ...

*Steve Crocker | Internet Hall of Fame* http://internethalloffame.org ? Inductees Internet Hall of Fame Steve Crocker. Dr. Crocker is CEO and co-founder of Shinkuro, Inc., a start-up company focused on dynamic sharing of information across the Internet and the ...

I have lost track of how many times Republicans claim the Obama Administration is going to give away the Internet to the U.N.

the N is large

Apparently, the UN keeps giving it back.

first time I ever agreed with Ted!

?Error Free Software?? podcast http://technology.djaghe.com/?tag=icann-steve-crocker

Steve is one of a remarkable number of people from Van Nuys, CA. Redford, DeLorean, ? many others.

1969 RFC #1 https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1

Introduction The software for the ARPA Network exists partly in the IMPs and partly in the respective HOSTs. BB&N has specified the software of the IMPs and it is the responsibility of the HOST groups to agree on HOST software. During the summer of 1968, representatives from the initial four sites met several times to discuss the HOST software and initial experiments on the network. There emerged from these meetings a working group of three, Steve Carr from Utah, Jeff Rulifson from SRI, and Steve Crocker of UCLA, who met during the fall and winter. The most recent meeting was in the last week of March in Utah. Also present was Bill Duvall of SRI who has recently started working with Jeff Rulifson. Somewhat independently, Gerard DeLoche of UCLA has been working on the HOST-IMP interface. I present here some of the tentative agreements reached and some of the open questions encountered. Very little of what is here is firm and reactions are expected.

*April Fool's RFC?s* https://www.cs.hmc.edu/~awooster/joke_rfcs.html Since 2001, I've been trying to keep an up-to-date list of April Fool's RFC's. ... of RFC 1149 for IPv6; RFC5984 - Increasing Throughput in IP Networks with ...

The Complete April Fools' RFCs book by Thomas A. Limoncelli and ... http://rfc-humor.com/ Network Working Group T. A. Limoncelli, P. H. Salus Request for Levity: 0000 http://rfc-humor.com The Complete April Fools' Day RFCs Status of this Memo Wished ...

I wrote a story called "Shannon's Law" about IP over Magic http://www.tor.com/2011/05/05/shannons-law/

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Heh, way back in the day I used to keep an April 1 index too

Let?s post a fake index on April 1.

April Meta-fools!

"ask not: 'why are these days not as good as the days of old?' for this question is not prompted by wisdom." -- Ecclesiastes

Jerry: http://isen.com/bighook/2016/participants.html#michalski

TheBrain is a piece of software: http://www.thebrain.com/community/big-thinkers/jerry_full/

gullets with wallets and eyeballs. See: https://blogs.harvard.edu/doc/2015/03/27/on-taking-personalized-ads-personally/

"design from trust"

?rough consensus and running code? : e.g., RFC 7282 - On Consensus and Humming in the IETF - IETF Tools https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7282 Internet Engineering Task Force We believe in: rough consensus and running code. That is, our credo is that we don't let a single individual dictate decisions (a king or president), nor should ...

Ice-nine is a material appearing in Kurt Vonnegut's novel Cat's Cradle. Ice-nine is supposedly a polymorph of water (invented by Dr. Felix Hoenikker); instead of melting at 0 °C (32 °F), the result melts at 45.8 °C (114.4 °F). - wikipedia

?[Slitscan's audience] is best visualized as a vicious, lazy, profoundly ignorant, perpetually hungry organism craving the warm god-flesh of the anointed. Personally I like to imagine something the size of a baby hippo, the color of a week-old boiled potato, that lives by itself, in the dark, in a double-wide on the outskirts of Topeka. It's covered with eyes and it sweats constantly. The sweat runs into those eyes and makes them sting. It has no mouth, Laney, no genitals, and can only express its mute extremes of murderous rage and infantile desire by changing the channels on a universal remote. Or by voting in presidential elections.? -William Gibson

as Jerry memorably called the consumer: "?a gullet who lives only to gulp products and crap cash?

Christopher: http://isen.com/bighook/2016/participants.html#mitchell

actually, that's a Doc statement, misquoting me :slightly_smiling_face:

i stand corrected

my Brain online: http://JerrysBrain.com and some more info here: http://therexpedition.com/2015/01/not-a-zombie-alert-my-brain-is-in-the-app-store/

It?s yours now, @jerrym

that it is :slightly_smiling_face:

Originality = hiding your influences

@christophermitchell "communities should be free to do stupid things"

@doctorow profound!

chris's ILSR in my Brain: https://webbrain.com/u/19qJ

Originality = v0.1

so glad that was cleared up as I was thinking "crap, @dsearls stole that from @jerrym ........"

Didn?t Oliver Wilde say that, @doctorow ? Or was it Santayana?

(jk)

I forget who said it -- but "amateurs plagiarize, artists steal"

That was me. I said it. Yup.

@doctorow i think Steve Jobs was quoting Picasso when he said something like that

(When in doubt, Wilde, Twain, and Santayana are the go-to attributions)

I said amateurs plagiarize, artists rob...

ZOMBIE DRM!

Cory: http://isen.com/bighook/2016/participants.html#doctorow

Additional links about Cory: BUFFER OVERLOAD. PROGRAM STOP.

Cory amid the neurons: https://webbrain.com/u/19qK

Or, say, a Lexmark printer?

*#rectalthermometer hashtag on Twitter* https://twitter.com/hashtag/rectalthermometer "In 2016 we have DRM up the ass" @doctorow on #IoT #rectalThermometer Wish I didn't miss this awesome talk @hopeconf ...

*How to protect the future web from its founders' own frailty* | Cory ... http://craphound.com/.../how-to-protect-the-future-web-from-its-founders-o... Cory Doctorow Jun 24, 2016 - Because if you put just enough DRM around a product that you can ... it in the ?Internet of Things rectal thermometer?, which debuted at CES ...

*Cory Doctorow Rejoins EFF to Eradicate DRM Everywhere* | Electronic ... https://www.eff.org/.../cory-doctorow-rejoins-eff-eradi... Electronic Frontier Foundation Jan 20, 2015 - Doctorow will be a special consultant to the Apollo 1201 Project, a mission to eradicate DRM in our lifetime. Apollo 1201 will challenge the use of DRM as well as the legal structures that support it. "Apollo was a decade-long plan to do something widely viewed as impossible: go to ...

*EFF is suing the US government to invalidate the DMCA*... - Cory Doctorow http://craphound.com/.../eff-is-suing-the-us-government-to-invalidate-the-d... Cory Doctorow Jul 21, 2016 - EFF is suing the US government to invalidate the DMCA's DRM provisions ... put overlays on DRM-restricted digital video signals; and Matthew ...

bunnie huang's blog https://www.bunniestudios.com/

*Disney teams up with 3D printed doll company MakieLab ?* http://www.3ders.org/.../20151130-walt-disney-3d-printed-doll-company-makielab-to-mak... Nov 30, 2015 - Walt Disney Co. has recently made another foray into the world of 3D printing by teaming up with London based MakieLab to create 3D printed dolls that feature clothing imprinted with classic Disney characters, such as Minnie Mouse and Maleficent. ... Now, because of the Disney ...

*burning man / Boing Boing* http://boingboing.net/tag/burning-man Boing Boing Cory Doctorow / 9:41 pm Thu, Aug 25, 2016 ... Further Future is a desert festival created by wealthy Burning Man attendees who want to get rid of the festival's ...

*James*: http://isen.com/bighook/2016/participants.html#vasile

I thought I was going to get to follow Cory: "I'm from the W3C, and we're here to bring you DRM in the browser"

For a BoF with @doctorow or to discuss sometime this BH, I could use a better understanding of the relation / inclusion of DRM in html5.

jk

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Ha! I know you're on the side of the angels, @wseltzer - not to mention hanging in there in a tough situation and fighting hard

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(Your BHbot has no known control over when Slack decides to paste in super-large, super-distracting photos.)

Brave New Software is dedicated to keeping the Internet open and decentralized. We build user-focused open source tools that solve practical problems in how the internet works for people. Our operating structure and our purpose are aligned so that the only incentive for our team is to do right by our users. We rely on seed funding from grants and socially-conscious investors to ensure that our user?s needs and our purpose drive all of our decisions. We are never beholden to any outside interests and we conduct our business as transparently as possible. Our current focus is on Lantern, a new internet censorship circumvention tool based on advanced peer-to-peer technology.

BTW if any of you are involved with CSAIL/MIT, I'd love to talk to you about writing to the dean to ask why MIT is funding an institution that is pursuing a project that could put the faculty in jail for pursuing legit research

I don't know enough about Bitcoin - but isn't one of its biggest problems that the exchanges keep getting robbed? Or general fraud?

Lantern is a free application that delivers fast, reliable and secure access to the open Internet. https://getlantern.org/

Also, my consulting shop: http://opentechstrategies.com, which has some papers on gov and open source tech

Justice as Fairness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_as_Fairness Wikipedia Justice as Fairness: Political not Metaphysical is an essay by John Rawls, published in 1985. In it he describes his conception of justice. It comprises two main principles of liberty and equality; the second is subdivided into Fair Equality of Opportunity and the Difference ...

*Matt*: http://isen.com/bighook/2016/participants.html#rantanen

About TDV The Southern California Tribal Chairmen's Association(SCTCA) is addressing the lack of Internet access for its tribal communities, taking their wireless broadband network to the next level of support for its communities, the "tribal home". It has been a long term goal of the Tribal Digital Village(TDV), an SCTCA program that spawned the TDV Network (TDVNet) back in 2001 to bring Internet services to our key community buildings and programs. We have done the ground work to support key community operations on reservations, and created over 350 miles of point-to-point and point-to-multi-point links supporting 86 tribal buildings, i.e.- tribal administration buildings, EPA departments, fire stations, law enforcement, utilities departments, and Libraries, Schools and Head Start programs. We have the Infrastructure in place to support such an endeavor, and the desire from the people to have access to broadband. We are actively deploying the next phase of TDVNet's deployment. SCTCA?s primary function is to provide Tribal TANF (Temporary Aid to Need Families), and we support rural and urban San Diego, and Santa Barbara Counties. It is our job to perform this function for the people. Job training, education, GED, vocational certifications, career counseling, education counseling, and case work are all part of healing our community and creating a self-sufficient opportunity for everyone. In order to heal our community properly and provide all the resources to them, we need to bring Internet to the home. http://sctdv.net/node/118

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*Harold* http://isen.com/bighook/2016/participants.html#feld

Public Knowledge: http://www.publicknowledge.org

Is this the Seidman book?*State and Law in the Development Proces*s - | Ann Seidman | Palgrave ... http://www.palgrave.com/us/book/9780333601471 Palgrave Macmillan 'Ann and Robert Seidman have written an invaluabe theoretical (and ... state power through law to empower third world peoples to play an effective role in building a peaceful world of plenty for all. ... Of Theory and Justifications and their Uses.

Harold Feld?s excellent group blog: http://www.wetmachine.com

@haroldfeld: "cultivating functional delusions"

*Bruce*: http://isen.com/bighook/2016/participants.html#schneier

Schneier on Security: Books by Bruce Schneier https://www.schneier.com/books/

*Liars and Outliers* https://www.schneier.com/books/liars_and_outliers/ Liars and Outliers reaches across academic disciplines to develop an understanding of trust, cooperation, and social stability. From the subtle social cues we ...

Bruce in the Brain: https://webbrain.com/u/133p

Liars & Outliers is excellent

The bar drives a bunch of the pro bono stuff. Techs don't have that equivalent.

?public interest technology? great term

*Data and Goliath* https://www.schneier.com/books/data_and_goliath/ Data and Goliath. The Hidden Battles to Collect Your Data and Control Your World. A Book by Bruce Schneier. A New York Times Best Seller. You are under ...

My reflection on functional delusions and advocacy: http://osewalrus.livejournal.com/1142303.html

How create ecosystem for public interest tech: important...

I read Dada and Goliath last year after BH and found it well worth it - no a "slog" at all :smiley:

*Wendy* http://isen.com/bighook/2016/participants.html#seltzer

Lawyers have a concept of public duty rooted in from where we get law; technologists don't understand that the societal basis of infrastructure and tools give them this same onus

*A Call to the Security Community: The W3C's DRM Extension Must Be ?* https://www.eff.org/.../call-security-community-w3cs-d... Electronic Frontier Foundation Jul 13, 2016 - A large community of security researchers and public interest groups have been alarmed by the security implications of baking DRM into the ...

*Encrypted Media Extensions* - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encrypted_Media_Extensions Wikipedia Encrypted Media Extensions (EME) is a W3C draft specification for providing a communication channel between web browsers and digital rights management ...

Non-profit sector is shifting, but slowly -- one of the great things I've had the privilege to do is educate a lot of old-school AAPI orgs (mostly grassroots and policy shops) on a variety of internet governance issues.

Netflix threatened to boycott the web if W3C didn't do DRM

*W3C DRM working group chairman vetoes work on protecting security ?* http://boingboing.net/2016/06/18/w3c-drm-working-group-chairman.html Boing Boing Jun 18, 2016 - At issue is the DMCA and its global equivalents, which impose daunting penalties on those who break DRM, even for legal reasons -- whether ...

*Fighting DRM in the W3C* - Schneier on Security https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2016/01/fighting_drm_in.html Jan 14, 2016 - The W3C added DRM to the web's standards in 2013. ... No one would have abandoned DRM had the W3C not standardized an interface.

But it's nearly impossible for companies to coordinate the way they do at W3C without the W3C -- otherwise they'd be clobbered by antitrust regulators

Did they make that decision at a point when many of us were concerned that the future of the Internet was threatened by the appification of everything?

Here's what Harry Halpin says about it and he knows more about how this happened than anybody I've spoken to. RMS and Danny O'Brien are in the video too, but Harry has the interesting bits IMO. https://joi.ito.com/weblog/2016/04/06/a-recent-discus.html

WHATWG is about to publish an extensive denunciation of W3C DRM

*Web Hypertext Application Technology Working Group* https://whatwg.org/ WHATWG An unofficial collaboration of Web browser manufacturers and interested parties who wish to develop new technologies designed to allow authors to write and ...

Do Not Track is the W3C's *other* dumpster-fire

*Lumen* https://lumendatabase.org/ The Lumen database collects and analyzes legal complaints and requests for removal of online materials, helping Internet users to know their rights and ...

Urban Dictionary: *Dumpster Fire* http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Dumpster%20Fire Urban Dictionary I'm Peter's friend, Glen Quagmire. Thanks for having me in your home and I would have had sex with you but Peter neglected to tell me you were a dumpster fire.

Does anyone know if lumen has sample language and documentation around risk factors for contributing die folks who are fighting that fight internally?

This needs more discussion on all sides so we understand it technically https://www.w3.org/TR/encrypted-media/

Encrypted Media Extensions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encrypted_Media_Extensions Wikipedia Encrypted Media Extensions (EME) is a W3C draft specification for providing a communication channel between web browsers and digital rights management ...

Nicely done, @wseltzer!

Fighting DRM sounds like a topic BH wants to take up this year. Good case study for talking about power?

I'm down.

Thanks @doctorow @jlivingood @davidw @jamesvasile

*Potential topics*:

1. DRM [yes]

2. Hard power, soft power [yes]

3. Effect of networks on power transmission: core vs. edge (Network power structures) (nope)

4. 2016 Election Power

5. Algorithmic power

6. Power the decentralized web: next steps [maybe]

7. Difference between power and force (sociological) (nope)

@dymaxion missed your question about lumen. What are you looking for sample language about?

Power vs Force: https://www.amazon.com/Power-vs-Force-Determinants-Behavior/dp/1561709336/

8. Catastrophic Risk

Would the jungle of ownership of data (based on EULA and copyright) be under DRM? (We did a check on cooperative cars: data communication between cars passed > 10 individual vendor general conditions that claimed ownership of data passing through chip/device/SW etc.)

On DRM, saying "DRM is bad and we must kill it" to this group seems simplistic or emotional or both. I would love to see the group that presents build the argument from the foundation up. For example, start by explaining what is DRM and how does it work and what are the realistic alternatives. It may be helpful to imagine we're Fredrich Moser from BH2015 and we produced "A Good American" at some estimated production cost (like USD$1M) and walk us through today's distribution system to the end customer/viewer. What kind of content/access/DRM controls exist and how do they work? How does DRM work in browsers today? How does EME work (specifically, is it an HTML tag or?)? It seems fine to argue someone should be against "DRM" but in that case IMO we need to better define what it is, what is bad and why, and what the alternatives are. Just my two cents - and as a side note I know very little personally about DRM so I am not a good expert to speak to this though I have a sense of how content production and distribution agreements work.

9. Testosterone-free Power (yes? no?)

10. How to increase our agency (?The fucking thing I?ve been working on for the past 10 yrs. - doc?) (tomorrow)

@jlivingood, here's my too-long argument against DRM as a barrier to open and user-innovation: https://wendy.seltzer.is/writing/seltzer-anticircumvention.pdf

agree we need to do it shorter

@wseltzer: I'll grab you at some point

Thanks @wseltzer I'll try to scan it quickly overnight (64 pages). I think this could be a fascinating discussion and very informative! IMO building the foundation is important so we really even understand why DRM exists.

Note: Joan Lederman pottery http://www.thesoftearthspeaks.com/

@jlivingood I've written a book about this - there's copies kicking around (INFORMATION DOESN

'T WANT TO BE FREE)

Because the planet is a Rubik?s sphere.

There's also a ton of talks, eg. http://boingboing.net/2012/01/10/lockdown.html

I thought the equator moved...

?The Power of Ooze? - [insert your own politics joke here]

About Joan, Bruce Rinker says, she's "Her kilns have been running since the early 1970?s. . . . Like other alchemists, Joan is a knotty person to sort out. Is she a ceramic artist, a potter, a geoscientist, a wizard, an old soul, or a futurist? Any one label falls away from this discerning woman likes leaves from an autumn tree aflame with color. Joan?s pottery is stunningly beautiful and original. The mud for her pots comes from Earth?s hot heart. http://www.thesoftearthspeaks.com/about-joan.html

Email: or

@jlivingood Here's the FAQ about EME and W3C https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/06/w3c-eme-and-eff-frequently-asked-questions

(also, Comcast is one of the principal proponents for in-browser DRM at W3C, along with Cablelabs, MPAA, RIAA, and Netflix)

Thanks @doctorow for the pointer. And I am aware we participate at W3C on this. I've pinged our guy for more info about it.

I think there's a good case for the idea that Comcast and the cable industry would never have come into existence if EME had existed in the age of CATV https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/04/save-comcast

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pre-order Shanti?s Shadow: http://www.phoebehuntmusic.com/blank-1

It's like as long as we attack the form of power we will always lose and lose at scale.

Yochai: "even when we open up one commons, it becomes fodder for closure at another point"

Cows with guns: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPhWfSeMYHA

@dymaxion Is it about losing vs winning as a binary? The fight never ends permanently. So there is a big gray area of losing and winning, no?

Of course not. But if we'd like to gain ground, maybe we shouldn't continue with tactics that we understand will occupy it full bandwidth to hold at zero

*our

yochai: we can?t continue with keynesian economics ( progressivism) and can?t live with the train wreck relying on market solutions only.

This totally ignores the underlying gov regulation.

what about the algorithmic erosion of consumer surplus?

Ella: "Maybe we could do something about rich people"

Eric von Hippel on Lead user innovation, http://web.mit.edu/people/evhippel/papers/Lead%20Users%20Eric%20von%20Hippel%20and%20Glen%20Urban%20-%201988.pdf

I'm a fan of Guifi, but let's not pretend many of would be satisfied with its performance (from what I understand)

goal is"cheap bliss"

Some things take longer to route around than others

A friend has been trying to place an investigative article on malvertising for six months, to no luck.

@dymaxion can i help

@christophermitchell it varies -- a lot.

Barry: the once and future railroad regulation: no discrimination, no vertical intergration

has joined #bighook-2016

has joined #bighook-2016

@mrr https://www.gnome.org/outreachy/ is the paid internship program I mentioned last night - 3-month paid telecommuting internships that mentor people who are demographically underrepresented in the open source industry, including American Indians.

@jerrym Portland, Oregon software get-togethers that might be interesting to you: http://resfestpdx.com/ and its component events http://indiewebcamp.com/ http://opensourcebridge.org/ one of my favorite tech conferences

@jlivingood You might be interested in speaking with the folks at the Recurse Center about what they've learned about setting up software research labs https://www.recurse.com/blog/110-pausing-rc-research . Also, @dsearls @jerrym @cayden @hmhgoldstone the Recurse Center is that self-directed experimental educational environment for programmers I mentioned https://www.recurse.com/about , the one with the lightweight rules https://www.recurse.com/manual#sec-environment that have, as a side effect, helped me learn to be calmer and more curious.

@mrr the Recurse Center http://recurse.com offers grants to people from certain underrepresented groups (including Native Americans) who already are novice or experienced programmers and want to come to NYC for 6 weeks or 3 months to get better. https://www.recurse.com/diversity RC would love for this to be more widely known.

[Incidentally: in your Slack preferences for Big Hook https://bighook.slack.com/account/settings , I recommend: * Messages & Media: Inline media & links: Uncheck the checkbox for "Expand website links to show a preview of the content, when available" * Messages & Media: Message Theme: switch from "Clean" to "Compact" ("The most messages you can fit on screen at once")]

@jerrym http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/japan-brexit-letter-eu-uk-g20-europe-great-turmoil-economy-a7224841.html

Did anyone find my hat? Any hat?

A collection of my BigHook photos since 2006: http://bit.ly/bghk11yr

George Lakoff on Trump: https://georgelakoff.com/2016/07/23/understanding-trump-2/

Clinton?s Tech Policy: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2016/06/27/hillary-clintons-initiative-on-technology-innovation/

Trump?s Tech Policy:

Haha. He doesn?t have one.

At a meeting recently, several people said that they teach their children to say ?Please? when asking Siri for information.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/trump-white-blue-collar-supporters is the Arlie Russell Hochschild piece I mentioned, about the deep "story"

tension of "unknowable" algorithms like neural networks and EU regulation: http://www.wired.com/2016/07/artificial-intelligence-setting-internet-huge-clash-europe/

I wish I had been at that table. To me the big current problem with algorithms is that so many live unaccountably in black boxes, such as ones that decide whether or not you get a job, or a loan, because of something you said on Facebook.

how can we make these algorithms manipulable by their end-users? so we can give feedback on the results and tweak them

We talked a bit about that, Wendy and Doc. We didn?t solve it, needless to say.

We did talk about that, and agreed we thought it would be good to be able to do that. We?re not aware of anyone offering that though.

The issue for me is that intelligible algorithms are likely to be far less predictive than ones that are so complex that humans can?t understand them.

so higher-order, how do we set the incentives up so that manipulability is offered?

E.g., fraud alerts use so many variables that the human brain may not be able to make sense of why datum a, b, and c result in an alert?even if the alert is accurate

Credit scores are an example of where we insist on intelligible algorithms, for sound social reasons, e.g., fairness and actionability.

https://about.commonsearch.org/mission (Sylvain Zimmer's project) might be interested in doing something like that

Amazon gives a rudimentary way of adjusting their recommendations, by excluding purchases as non-representative, e.g., you bought the dungeons and dragons series for your niece.

When false positives or false negatives by algorithms cannot be checked by humans, we get into territory that scares me

but it?s pretty rudimentary

Agreed, @hermanw, although it obviously (?) depends on whether the algorithms are predicting movies you might be interested in or whether you?re a terrorist who shouldn?t be allowed to get on a plane.

@dsearls Is there a competitive market solution to the black box algorithm problem?

and how do we know Amazon isn't privileging those who give them a higher cut? or downlisting those who compete with them?

Shocking, @wseltzer !

(excellent question.)

Benevolent dictators are great until they aren't... also until their kids take over

@doctorow for benevolent dictator!

All hail @doctorow!

The impossible problem for machines of simulating humans is that all of us are different by design, and different five minutes from now. No machine can appreciate what Shakespeare meant by ?Time cannot wither, nor custom stale, her infinite variety.? Nor emulate Shakespeare.

+1 @dsearls

+100 @doctorow

But they can with a fair degree of accuracy predict whether you?re going to click on Branagh?s Hamlet in your Netflix list.

Here's a transcript of my talk at the Archive's #dwebsummit: http://boingboing.net/2016/06/24/how-to-protect-the-future-web.html

Here's the two principles, with elaboration @haroldfeld We must set agreements and principles that allow us to resist the song of the Sirens in the future moments of desperation. And I want to propose two key principles, as foundational as life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness or the First Amendment: 1) When a computer receives conflicting instructions from its owner and from a remote party, the owner always wins. Systems should always be designed so that their owners can override remote instructions and should never be designed so that remote instructions can be executed if the owner objects to them. Once you create the capacity for remote parties to override the owners of computers, you set the stage for terrible things to come. Any time there is a power imbalance, expect the landlord, the teacher, the parent of the queer kid to enforce that power imbalance to allow them to remotely control the device that the person they have power over uses. You will create security risks, because as soon as you have a mechanism that hides from the user, to run code on the user's computers, anyone who hijacks that mechanism, either by presenting a secret warrant or by breaking into a vulnerability in the system, will be running in a privileged mode that is designed not to be interdicted by the user. If you want to make sure that people show up at the door of the Distributed Web asking for backdoors, to the end of time, just build in an update mechanism that the user can't stop. If you want to stop those backdoor requests from coming in, build in binary transparency, so that any time an update ships to one user that's materially different from the other ones, everybody gets notified and your business never sells another product. Your board of directors will never pressurize you to go along with the NSA or the Chinese secret police to add a backdoor, if doing so will immediately shut down your business. Throw away the Oreos now. Let's also talk about the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. This is the act that says if you exceed your authorization on someone else's computer, where that authorization can be defined as simply the terms of service that you click through on your way into using a common service, you commit a felony and can go to jail. Let's throw that away, because it's being used routinely to shut down people who discover security vulnerabilities in systems. 2) Disclosing true facts about the security of systems that we rely upon should never, ever be illegal. We can have normative ways and persuasive ways of stopping people from disclosing recklessly, we can pay them bug bounties, we can have codes of conduct. But we must never, ever give corporations or the state the legal power to silence people who know true things about the systems we entrust our lives, safety, and privacy to. These are the foundational principles. Computers obey their owners, true facts about risks to users are always legal to talk about. And I charge you to be hardliners on these principles, to be called fanatics. If they are not calling you puritans for these principles you are not pushing hard enough. If you computerize the world, and you don't safeguard the users of computers form coercive control, history will not remember you as the heroes of progress, but as the blind handmaidens of future tyranny.

Here?s a recent non-tech column I wrote on IPFS and TBL?s Solid: http://www.digitaltrends.com/web/ways-to-decentralize-the-web/

in re algorithms: worth disaggregating 1) filter bubble and different forms of blackboxing: 2) blackboxed bc proprietary (we are blocked from knowing or auditing) 3) blackboxed bc algorithmic form not knowable or auditable

@doctorow great principles. Could they be referenced by a name, like we did with Asimovs three laws of robots?

Here's the piece Kevin Marks and I did about Brewster's event: http://www.fastcompany.com/3061357/the-web-decentralized-distributed-open

@hermanw I already have Doctorow's Three Laws ("Any time someone puts a lock on something that belongs to you and won't give you the key, the lock isn't for your benefit"; "Fame won't make you rich, but no one will give you money if they haven't heard of you" "Information doesn't want to be free, but people do") -- but I'd love for someone else to title these two

+1 @doctorow

@doctorow then we just have to find a suitable victim :wink:

I'm more optimistic about tort law done right - it can address incentives at a systemic level

Interplanetary File System: The Distributed Web -- https://ipfs.io/

On what is catastrophic and what is not, I thought this conversation with Nassim Nicholas Taleb was useful. http://www.econtalk.org/archives/_featuring/nassim_taleb/ - a single terrorist nuke attack or devastating meltdown is very very bad but does not threaten life on the planet. Some bad outcomes do - he would call those catastrophic and it is useful to distinguish between them.

Herman Kahn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Kahn Wikipedia Herman Kahn (February 15, 1922 ? July 7, 1983) was a founder of the Hudson Institute and one of the preeminent futurists of the latter part of the twentieth ...

(There?s an argument that Kahn?s ?war games? for RAND actually made the unthinkable thinkable and thus more likely.)

@hermanw In keeping with my skepticism about cults of personality, I think it'd be better to have no one's names associated with it!

http://osewalrus.livejournal.com/1079693.html Cassandrafreude: Definition Cassandrafreude (n): the bitter pleasure of things going wrong in exactly the way you predicted, but no one believed you when it could have made a difference. A portmanteau of Cassandra, the mythological Trojan princess, and schadenfreude, a German word meaning deriving pleasure from someone else's pain.

@doctorow good point. "The Principles of ........"

All the clicking keyboards sound like soft rain.

Kahn's exemplified using catastrophic risk to trump other ways of focusing decisionmaking; that catastrophic risk model substitutes for the granular work we need and often is potent for pushing poor policy outcomes.

hey, y'all: awesome linkstorm this morning. thank you.

The links sound like snow falling on waves

Control versus Influence

Power Over versus Power With

see here: http://www.thepowerofcollectivewisdom.com/pdfs/power-over.pdf

Carol Gilligan and In a Different Voice. One of the founders of the ethics of care was American ethicist and psychologist Carol Gilligan. Gilligan was a student of developmental psychologist Lawrence Kohlberg. Gilligan developed her moral theory in contrast to her mentor's theory of stages of moral development. Ethics of care - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

note that calling it female vs male is also alienating

+1

+1

Are men driven differently to use power? I would suggest that while historically we have perpetuated this idea, the dramatic variations wrt what is constituted "male" v. "female" attributes of power across cultures and across history suggests that the only common attribute is human beings like to differentiate by sex.

Gilligan?s In a Different Voice was revelatory for me as a philosophy grad student. Hugely influential, and am important corrective to traditional Western ethics and epistemology.

@hmhgoldstone +1

Related to power to convene: Power to form and participate in networks.

Some of us have talked about *agency* as an expression of power. Definitions from an off-Web source:

the deeper original meanings of agency are about acting for ones? self. Here are the Oxford English Dictionary?s relevant definitions of agent: 1. a. One who (or that which) acts or exerts power, as distinguished from the patient, and also from the instrument. 2. He who operates in a particular direction, who produces an effect. Of things: The efficient cause. 4. a. Of persons: One who does the actual work of anything, as distinguished from the instigator or employer; hence, one who acts for another, a deputy, steward, factor, substitute, representative, or emissary. (In this sense the word has numerous specific applications in Commerce, Politics, Law, etc., flowing directly from the general meaning.) Here are the OED?s first three definitions of agency: 1. The faculty of an agent or of acting; active working or operation; action, activity. 2. Working as a means to an end; instrumentality, intermediation. 3. Action or instrumentality embodied or personified as concrete existence.

I would recommend looking at differences between Victorian visions of masculinity v. femininity, Freudian visions of masculinity v. femininity, Medieval Japanese visions of masculinity v. femininity for a search for common elements v. disparate elements. Most of what the modern western neo-Freudian ideas about the "masculine" sphere and the "feminine" sphere is significantly at odds with the Victorian ideal as illustrated by Kipling's "Female of the species."

not sure I understand why hedge funds are better or worse than wealthy individuals

or pubcos

@dangillmor should play his 3 hour card.

I?d like to hear him on this topic.

@doctorow "The First Principles of Personal Computing", allows extension beyond the first 2 you posted

Has the mainstream press ever been anything but wholly owned by wealth and power?

@hermanw How about the "Iron Laws of PC" or "Inviolable rights of..." or "Fundamental" etc

Third rule of BH: ?We?re here because there?s work to be done."

Glad @davidw was so clear about it - we often do get lost in describing and arguing about how to describe problems.

@doctorow @hermanw Is it really about PCs?

@davidw Yes, good point. "Computer-embroidered world"?

No, this is about Personal Computing as control over your computers

@jamesvasile it has always been part of larger agendas, but at times capable of independence in the right way

@enoss the funds and PE are more shadowy, for one thing; most journalists whose organizations are controlled by hedge funds could not ID the CEO of the fund, I'll bet.

let's do an Airplane House camp at next year's Burn!

@dangillmor So there's a diffusion of personal responsibility?

For dates, @davidi - try using a Doodle poll with yes-no-ineedbe option

@jamesvasile to a degree, i think (don't have data)

+1 @jlivingood . I?m nervous about this process for assessing preferences

Fair enough

So sorry to hear about Barlow.

Session: Introductions (cont.)

John Perry Barlow - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Perry_Barlow Wikipedia John Perry Barlow (born October 3, 1947) is an American poet and essayist, a retired Wyoming cattle rancher, and a cyberlibertarian political activist who has ...

*Dewayne* http://isen.com/bighook/2016/participants.html#hendricks

Dewayne in context: https://webbrain.com/u/19qN

Wired story on The Broadband Cowboy: http://www.wired.com/2002/01/hendricks/

Dave Hughes, the Cursor Cowboy: https://webbrain.com/u/19qO

@davidw Barlow? What?

JP Barlow?s early proclamation: A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace by John Perry ... https://vimeo.com/111576518

If you're in the Bay Area and want to visit Barlow, you should -- he likes F2F with people

@dangillmor - Cory said a few minutes ago that Barlow isn?t traveling and is in a personal hospice. (John Gilmore, I think he said.)

@davidw thanks. didn't realize that. have to visit soon.

FCC Tech Advisory Council https://www.fcc.gov/general/technological-advisory-council

Will we see Sascha this week?

2016 PCAST report https://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/eop/ostp/pcast/docsreports

that piece, in context: https://webbrain.com/u/19qP

Dewayne: Reboot open spectrum by empowering communities ? ?Radio by its nature wants to be free."

Intro: David Reed

I thought Stewart Brand was Zelig!

Zelig: In this fictional documentary, a man achieves notoriety for his ability to look and act like anyone he meets. With his unique talent for mimicry, Zelig (Woody Allen)

Mr Reed in my Brain: https://webbrain.com/u/19qQ

Sometimes I wonder if Heinlein was envisioning DPR when coining the term "grok"

For @wa8dzp https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDm3qr3Zlu0

Original end-to-end article: http://web.mit.edu/Saltzer/www/publications/endtoend/endtoend.pdf

David works at TidalScale

https://www.tidalscale.com/ ?Software defined servers"

DPR once talked about a wide band radio project and I've been hoping for a few years that would be his next job

"It doesn?t take much to get Reed to hold forth on his strong, well-articulated political and social beliefs." http://www.salon.com/2003/03/12/spectrum/

All problems and solutions start with mental constructs. DPR has started a lot of them.

Curious if that panel was thinking "this will solve our problem" or "this is an incremental step in a field in which the powerful want to go backward."

A 2002 column I wrote about David Reed and his smart radios ideas:

Required reading: Phil Windley on The Compuserve of Things: http://www.windley.com/archives/2014/04/the_compuserve_of_things.shtml

Summary On the Net today we face a choice between freedom and captivity, independence and dependence. How we build the Internet of Things has far-reaching consequences for the humans who will use?or be used by?it. Will we push forward, connecting things using forests of silos that are reminiscent the online services of the 1980's, or will we learn the lessons of the Internet and build a true Internet of Things?

@dangillmor uploaded a file: ./slackfiles/David_Reed.txt

Until Nexus is actually developed (great trilogy by Ramez Naam - recommended by long time Big Hooker Sascha Meinrath) - the Internet will continue to be "of things"

If you want to feel original, never ever Google what you just said

@david.reed : Amazon's control point: AWS data flows of connected things

+1 to @dangillmor for demonstrating what slack snippets do. Thanks, Dan!

And then there is http://flow.microsoft.com owning your interconnections

@davidw discovered by accident...

+1 @christophermitchell

*What is 5G and How Will It Make My Life Better?* - Gizmodo http://gizmodo.com/what-is-5g-and-how-will-it-make-my-life-better-1760847799 Gizmodo Feb 24, 2016 - Similar to 4G and 3G before it, 5G is a wireless connection built specifically to keep up with the proliferation of devices that need a mobile ...

Intro: Roxanne Googln

Hillary?s telecommunication policy, which is fairly detailed, rests too much on 5G. #ImWithHer

*Roxane*: http://isen.com/bighook/2016/participants.html#googin

Susan Crawford's great takedown of the 5G hype: https://backchannel.com/the-next-generation-of-wireless-5g-is-all-hype-1790239b8ca8#.ktdgbmagw

The Internet of Terrible Things On Fire

"Mobile web is in stasis" -- I'd like to hear more about that.

?Mobile is in stasis? #oxymorons

+1 @jamesvasile

Roxanne: "the mobile web is so over"; it's all about machine-learning IoT

+1 @jamesvasile

Intro: Pat Kennedy

*Pat Kennedy* http://isen.com/bighook/2016/participants.html#kennedy

will things send more data than Netflix?

@doctorow The Internet of Floaty Things in Water that Monitor Stuff

Haven't we seen that for a decade in email? Spam vs actual messages

I'm co-editing a paper on IoT Security & Privacy Issues at BITAG w/Nick Feamster from Princeton. http://bitag.org/documents/pr20160628-Announcing-IoT-Topic.pdf

Targeted release in Oct 2016

Pat also founded Lit San Leandro Search Results Lit San Leandro ? Offering state-of-the-art fiber optic Internet ... http://litsanleandro.com/ We can help your business connect to the many benefits of the San Leandro fiber loop. ... Lit San Leandro offers state-of-the-art fiber optic Internet connections to ...

Pat says that Lit San Leandro may have had a role in spurring Comcast and AT&T to pull more permits in the last year to invest in better networks than they had in the previous 15 ... or so - numbers are hard to remember

*Andrew*: http://isen.com/bighook/2016/participants.html#odlyzko

Intro: Andrew Odlyzko

Odlyzko kills cameras - travels and takes so many photographs of old railroad records that he wears them out

Andrew in that Brain thing: https://webbrain.com/u/13Mx

Of course @brewsterkahle has killed a few cameras and replaces shutters in house...

Andrew Odlyzko - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Odlyzko Wikipedia Andrew Michael Odlyzko (born 23 July 1949) is a mathematician and a former head of the University of Minnesota's Digital Technology Center and of the ...

Andrew Odlyzko: *Complete publications list* - DTC http://www.dtc.umn.edu/~odlyzko/doc/complete.html

Presumably the "market system" is different from century old trading places...

Andrew: market system isn't natural. people are social. bigcos don't like the discipline (monopoly rents being so much tastier!)

chris, yes, I think Andrew would agree

The collapse of the Railway Mania, the development of capital ... - DTC http://www.dtc.umn.edu/~odlyzko/doc/mania02.pdf

working markets are painful - few profits, job insecurity, etc.

Let a thousand @enoss?s bloom!

The Bourgeois Virtues: Ethics for an Age of Commerce, McCloskey http://www.press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/.../bo3750637.html University of Chicago Press The book The Bourgeois Virtues: Ethics for an Age of Commerce, Deirdre N. McCloskey is published by University of Chicago Press.

I think @enoss may be more unique than even we appreciate. Willing to be convinced I'm wrong. But they seem not to just pop up regularly.

?Bourgeois Delusions?: excellent band name?

+1 @christophermitchell

@christophermitchell Tuning social structures to serve the needs of our economic structures trades social concerns for economic benefits. Modern labor mobility is really bad for family structure, for example.

Deirdre McCloskey in the Brain: https://webbrain.com/u/19qR

Intro: Matt Jones

It does make one wonder, @christophermitchell , why, if @enoss is right that the market is so open, there aren?t so many more of elliots. Or, put differently, what could be done to enable a thousand elliots to burn.

FCC just nerfed the Unlock the Box proposal https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160907/04465035454/after-massive-cable-industry-lobbying-disinformation-effort-fcc-is-forced-to-weaken-cable-box-reform-plan.shtml @haroldfeld @jlivingood

He is bringing a historian's perspective to the point where "unaccountable machine learning meets surveillance"

*Matt*: http://isen.com/bighook/2016/participants.html#jones

AKA, Shock Doctrine

@davidw we are trying to track firms like Elliot's ... there are more popping up - USInternet in Minneapolis is one. Some have been around a long time ... but I suspect many of the firms popping up, inspired by Elliot either plan to sell out at big profit in 5-10 years or will without having planned it. There is something odd about being so dedicated to building like Elliot has over the years.

@christophermitchell I get that scepticism, but I am not sure it is true. in general, people are learning that loving what you do, especially with purpose, is more important than money and those that build ISPs are more likely to appreciate that

there is not a TON of overlap between geek and luxury-seeker

Outstanding dystopian novel about opportunistic surveillance regimes http://boingboing.net/2007/06/11/ken-macleods-executi.html

@christophermitchell if they?ve structured the ownership/governance of fiber the way Elliot does, would their selling out matter much?

Intro: Doc Searls

@doctorow the lies the industry told were bald

*Doc*: http://isen.com/bighook/2016/participants.html#searls

What Doc is perhaps most known for: http://www.cluetrain.com/

Doc's VRM is incredibly important.

VRM hasn't gotten the attention it deserves.

And 17 years of hard labor and spirit in helping the vision of the Web to flourish.

ad blockers the most massive boycott in human history...so true.

VRM: https://cyber.harvard.edu/projectvrm/Main_Page

@davidw Most of Elliot's builds are owned by him. So yes. And those inspired by him are more likely to embrace the market-driven fiberhood model for targeting investment which I think Ting has avoided. Many see the lesson of Elliot that there is a biz opportunity, not that there is an opportunity to build a benevolent Internet kingdom

The intention economy is an approach to viewing markets and economies focusing on buyers as a scarce commodity. The consumers' intent to buy drives the production of goods to meet their specific needs. It is also the title of Doc Searls book: The Intention Economy: When Customers Take Charge published in May, 2012. Intention economy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

the challenge is that it's not a movement yet; it's a bunch of individuals acting individually

Doc's latest book is worth the read: https://www.amazon.com/Intention-Economy-When-Customers-Charge/dp/1422158527/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1473343074&sr=8-1&keywords=doc+searls

The Intention Economy is Doc?s 2012 book. https://hbr.org/product/the-intention-economy-when-customers-take-charge/an/12789-HBK-ENG

@christophermitchell so the fiber competitors (not Elliot, presumably) will eventually sell to new monopolists? or become them?

Heh, what I think many don't understand of Elliot's model is precisely what Doc has focused on for years - VRM-inspired approach

VRM = Vendor Relationship Mgt, a parade Doc has been leading, as he sometimes puts it. Project VRM - Berkman Center for Internet & Society - Harvard University https://cyber.law.harvard.edu/projectvrm

The anti-surveillance activities of the adblocker user community are significant, but they're not a movement yet - lack a sense of political consciousness. Reminds me of Napster users ca 2001, 52,000,000 ppl, more than voted for either candidate in the 2000 elections, but had no ability to materialize collective action (or even collective outrage) when the courts shut down the fastest-adopted technology in the history of the world

Why is Europe in particular so far ahead of the US on these issues?

Session: Break

MUSIC!!

@dangillmor That is my fear. Though of course restructuring the economy along ways that Barry Lynn and others suggest would reduce that likelihood by changing incentives I think

Those who are worried about encouraging competition may be surprised to find it is much harder to sustain competition than to just create it

We should ask if we can have permission to post some of these performances with a CC license.

I asked. We have enthusiastic permission to post our videos of these amazing performances, under a CC license. Yay!!

Great !

Session: Back from Break

@jlivingood which issues (the thread bounced around a bit before you asked)?

Intro: Herman Wagter

@enoss On data privacy issues

@jlivengood, the reason, I have often heard, is that detailed records were once kept on people, and it was used to kill them. This is a vivid memory in Europe.

makes sense - especially given the Stasi and so on

*Herman*: http://isen.com/bighook/2016/participants.html#wagter

@jlivingood another pragmatic reason is that data farming is done by big US companies making money on europeans, making it an easy political issue

Herman Wagter: Former CEO, Amsterdam CityNet | CityAge || Build ... http://cityage.org/project/herman-wagter-former-ceo-amsterdam-citynet/ Herman Wagter is a program manager specialized in developing and managing large multi-stakeholder initiatives. He managed the Amsterdam .

Herman Wagter's long and detailed article about Amsterdam - BCS http://www.bcs.org/upload/pdf/how_amsterdam_was_fibred.pdf British Computer Society

@doctowow, while the adoption of ad blockers grew on pace with surveillance, it?s also true that consciousness around it, and sentiments toward a movement, are both small. Want to fix that. (It also doesn?t help that the most popular ad blocker takes shakedown money from purveyors of ?acceptable? ads, some of which are based on tracking. That needs fixing too.

Question for BH: Is there *anything* that does not need fixing? :unamused:

I?d be curious how many of us bighookers use ad blockers (and which ones)

I use privacy badger, which blocks some ads

^ same

*How Amsterdam was wired for open access fiber* | Ars Technica http://arstechnica.com/tech.../how-amsterdam-was-wired-for-open-access-fiber... Ars Technica Mar 18, 2010 - We asked Herman Wagter, CEO of the company that built the Citynet fiber project, to talk about how he got the job done, and to explain the ...

I use a few different tools working together

privacybadger, requestpolicy, noscript, and adblock

would be good to know incentives for adoption of ad blockers due to (1) privacy concerns, (2) security (malware), (3) slow loading times. I've ublock

adblock-plus on firefox, and I keep chrome virgin and only used when pages look wrong.

PON: Passive optical network - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_optical_network Wikipedia Passive Optical Network (PON) is a telecommunications technology that implements a point-to-multipoint architecture, in which unpowered Fiber Optic Splitters ...

Same as Wendy, plus AdBlock select element and custom greasemonkey scripts on places like Facebook and Pinterest that run native ads

I?ve been covering the ?adblock wars? in various pubs. A long list of pieces is here: http://blogs.harvard.edu/doc/the-adblock-war/

(oh, and ublock on mobile)

The food...

Ha. But I didn?t mean things at BH that need fixing!

@mljones: all the reasons for me, plus claiming back attention that I don't think they've earned

More than half the munis use PON also I believe. I'm told that PON is more trusted because with so many incumbents using it, it has a very clear path for upgrades. Also have been told that PON has lower operating costs- but that is mixing PON with Active, not merely about homerun vs other topology.

it all needs fixing, @davidw. to quote a recent philosopher, shit is bullshit and fucked up

I use uBlock because I heard that ABP is no longer cool. (I?m a follower.)

@dsearls I want to make that consciousness too -- my paradigm is "peak indifference" http://www.locusmag.com/Perspectives/2016/07/cory-doctorow-peak-indifference/

from my perspective, we consumerized everything, building all institutions for efficiency and scale, which leads to control and coercion. all these institutions (and systems) can be redesigned from trust

Many pubs think tracking protection is ad blocking, though it?s not, except as a collateral effect: https://medium.com/@dsearls/an-invitation-to-settle-adblock-matters-with-forbes-wired-and-other-publishers-bc4c0d40a314

PErcentage of GDP spent on healthcare by country: http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.XPD.TOTL.ZS

A different question @davidw is Right Track / Wrong Track

Netherlands 2014 % of GDP: 10.9

US%?

Insert "Dutch Treat" joke here.

USA 2014: 17.1%

Hard to pay for a network using only avoided costs - our accounting system doesn't make that easy.

Those figures are for ?healthcare"

Canada: 10.4%

Yay! USA wins!

Netherlands vs US health stats compared: http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Netherlands/United-States/Health

USA! USA! USA!

I think the best open access model is Ammon- Idaho. We did an awesome video about it. They use SDN to virtualize the fiber. But they are not on PON, FYI. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSQVvFY4lPI

*Levi* : http://isen.com/bighook/2016/participants.html#maaia

that is levi

Session: Levi Maaia

Small cable is getting crushed by a combination of market structure and an FCC that seems to forget there are small entities that cannot handle the paperwork that Comcast et al can.

Intro: Levi Maala (actually)

Levi C. Maaia : LINC Center ? UC Santa Barbara http://linc.education.ucsb.edu/people/levi-c-maaia/

Levi?s 2010 Net Neutrality op-ed: http://archive.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/letters/articles/2010/12/28/internet_rules_give_big_business_control/

levi's mom is a great operator https://www.linkedin.com/in/lindamaaia

Excerpt from his op-ed: "the FCC?s vote to approve new rules governing the Internet fell far short of President Obama?s campaign promise to protect online free speech and commerce. The new rules hand much control to wired and wireless Internet service providers."

Full Channel - Independent TV, Internet, phone provider in Barrington ... https://www.fullchannel.com/ Full Channel The independent, family-owned cable provider of choice for Internet, Digital TV & Phone services in Rhode Island's East Bay.

Levi: We don't have a lot of Mr. Rogers where we need him

Cable in the Classroom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable_in_the_Classroom Wikipedia Cable in the Classroom is a defunct American division of the National Cable & Telecommunications Association that assisted the cable television industry in ...

Cox has been happy to compete with Full Channel but will not challenge Charter or Comcast.

If this doesn't reduce you to tears, I don't wanna know you http://boingboing.net/2012/04/11/mr-rogers-defends-pbs-in-cong.html

@doctorow best pitch ever -- I used to show it to entrepreneurship students.

Note to non-Americans: Mr. Rogers was a beloved, kind, gentle children?s entertainer who, breaking with tradition, was never implicated as a child predator.

@levi you already know about Mel Chua's work (she's finishing up her PhD in engineering education, especially in translating the work of open source as communities of practice)? http://blog.melchua.com/

and Mr Rogers defended the VCR against Jack Valenti, because "people shouldn't be controlled by the networks"

Any idea that the private market could do PBS type content evaporated with the evolution of History, Science, and Discovery channels

Intro: Sean Gonsalves

*Sean*: http://isen.com/bighook/2016/participants.html#gonsalves

Sean's columns were an inspiration to me in college

Stories by Sean Gonsalves | Alternet http://www.alternet.org/authors/sean-gonsalves AlterNet Stories by Sean Gonsalves. Sean Gonsalves is a syndicated columnist and news editor with the Cape

Sean?s PR company: Sean Gonsalves | Regan Communications http://regancomm.com/who-we-are/cape-cod-executives/sean-gonsalves/

Sean Gonsalves (@SeanGonComm)

From Sean?s bio at Regan Comms: Sean first began writing an op-ed column for the Cape Cod Times in 1993, covering everything from politics to jazz. It wasn?t until two years later, in 1995, that he was offered an entry level reporting position at the Times. Sean started writing obituaries and occasional short features. Then, he moved to the ?night cops? beat, in which he was responsible for compiling the daily court report, as well as churning out police logs by night?s end. In 1996, Sean was offered a contract with Universal Press Syndicate to syndicate the column he was writing. One of the youngest nationally syndicated columnists in the country at the time, Sean was just 24 years old when he signed with UPS. The column was picked up by 22 newspapers across the country, including the Oakland Tribune, Detroit Free-Press, Kansas City Star and the Seattle Post-Intelligencer. In Seattle, his weekly opinion offerings were one of the most popular columns in that paper for nearly a decade. Sean?s work has also appeared in the Boston Globe, USA Today, the Washington Post and the International Herald-Tribune.

"After nearly 20 years in journalism, Sean joined Regan Communications to help others better communicate with an often cynical and skeptical public."

?Power = ability to achieve purpose? - Sean

The Three Types of Legitimate Rule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Three_Types_of_Legitimate_Rule Wikipedia The Three Types of Legitimate Rule is an essay written by Max Weber, a German economist and sociologist, explaining his tripartite classification of authority.

Useful recap: http://danawilliams2.tripod.com/authority.html

Apparently Yochai ranks below Jesus and Hitler in charisma. Still kinda a compliment...

I'd hope that our respect for Yochai is rational :slightly_smiling_face:

I?m personally going with irrational exuberance.

Wendy - YES -- that's what I meant :slightly_smiling_face:

how many times was AaronSw here?

So this is purely theoretical

You like to eat clams...

about to finish a PhD...

Session: How a Cable Company might provide Fiber to the Home

didn't have Weber's three types in my Brain, but did find three faces of power (how governments control people), from the book Power: A Radical View: https://webbrain.com/u/19qT

At least once. Plus a number of us counted him as a friend, as well as an embodiment of our hopes ? which is heavy burden for anyone.

A number of munis have gone from DOCSIS 1 or 2 straight to FTTH. They thought DOCSIS 3.0 and 3.1 were too incremental and wouldn't be a wise long term investment

There should be a sign at the border saying ?Welcome to Canada! Now 30% Off!"

articles about power: https://webbrain.com/u/192V

Data Over Cable Service Interface Specification (DOCSIS /?d?ks?s/) is an international telecommunications standard that permits the addition of high-bandwidth data transfer to an existing cable TV (CATV) system. DOCSIS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

FTTH: fiber to the home

Thanks @davidw

BHbot does not know how to process gratitude. Please carry on.

[I knew Aaron too, and miss him, and am glad we remember him here]

How much scale does a provider need? I would like to see Full Channel partnering with nearby munis to get greater scale and presumably to more stability

why fiber? Because we want to be producers, not just consumers.

On authority as a form of power, or importance...?... importance is what Cory Doctorow called Whuffie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whuffie), in his book Downand out in The Magic Kingdom. By whatever name?reputation, authority, brand value, Whuffie?we don't acquire it alone. Its value is bestowed by others. In fact, the same might be said for its substance. Several years ago I was talking with Tim O'Reilly about the discomfort we both felt about treating information as a commodity. It seemed to us that information was something more than, and quite different from, the communicable form of knowledge. It was not a commodity, exactly, and was insulted by the generality we call "content." Information, we observed, is derived from the verb inform, which is related to the verb form. To inform is not to "deliver information," but rather, to form the other party. If you tell me something I didn't know before, I am changed by that. If I believe you and value what you say, I have granted you authority, meaning I have given you the right to author what I know. Therefore, we are all authors of each other. This is a profoundly human condition in any case, but it is an especially important aspect of the open source value system. By forming each other, as we also form useful software, we are making the world, not merely changing it.

That?s from http://commons.oreilly.com/wiki/index.php/Open_Sources_2.0/Beyond_Open_Source:_Collaboration_and_Community/Making_a_New_World

@dsearls Did you ever read Virginia Held's 1990s essay "Mothering versus Contract"?

Fiber isn't just about speed, but reliability. And we have a window where we can route around incumbents by taking advantage of technological superiority.

Yochai Hitler is my new indie band name

stealth fiber!

@sumanah looking for a link? got one?

"Mothering versus Contract" is in the 1990 collection "Beyond Self-Interest" http://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/B/bo3774588.html and I've read a photocopy of it once -- need to read it again

Guessing Cox customer service has a different access than those who call Full Channel help desk.

accent

Some say we are the ones with the accent!

I remember when Bell Canada decided to put all the DSL terminators in a single data-center, which someone promptly drove a ditchwitch through. Our CIO spent a week standing at the crater's edge with a crowd of dozens of others, begging the techs to reconnect our line

remembers all the times she answered the phone, doing customer service at http://Salon.com, and US people assumed she was in India. Despite her born-and-raised in the US accent.

Nocturnal privilege

Batteries!

Again, the challenge of monetizing avoided cost proves easier to conceptualize than actually do

A recurring discussion I had this year at Burning Man was what Black Rock City would look like when a plurality of attendees arrived in hybrids and EVs with MONSTER batteries, along with a collection of PV panels; near-100% municipal electrification overnight

Aaron was here at least two times I know from photos I took. Here?s one: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/up5tdvzf3niju9z/AAAD_FteodPnKNRPkixRrZsQa?dl=0&preview=2006bighook_44.JPG

Encroachment Permits http://www.dot.ca.gov/trafficops/ep/

or buy hydro

Renewable energy -> Intermittent Power -> Unreliable Power -> Brownouts-in-waiting

Universal Ethernet | Ethernet Academy Articles | Papers http://www.ethernetacademy.net/Ethernet-Academy-Articles/universal-ethernet Jan 16, 2010 - The Universal Ethernet Telecommunications Service (UETS) is a highly scalable Layer 2 based network architecture, protocol, and addressing ...

ABout UETS:

The incumbent power cos are trying to rebrand home solar panels as "private power" that is undermining the grid. Incumbents incumbents incumbents....

The Universal Ethernet Telecommunications Service (UETS) is a highly scalable Layer 2 based network architecture, protocol, and addressing schema, which will support a wide range of services and access technologies to deliver the capacity required for future network applications with greatly improved security and robustness to support the massive amount of traffic related to quadruple-play services of the next generation network. Ethernet Fabric Routing (EFR) is a new generation high-capacity physical switching technique, based on the utilization of local MAC addresses, indicated with the U/L bit fixed to one, and assigned to every physical interface as implicit labels with global, not local, meaning. The terminals does not use its own universal address, as in conventional LANs, but the switch's port physical address, as in the old telephone Central Offices. The new network node concept, named Central Universal Ethernet (CUE), performs the switching by means of Banyan networks [1], the less complex and most scalable interconnection topology, that can handle throughputs of tens to hundreds of terabits per second with a very small size, high packing density, and an extremely low power consumption and heat dissipation, to fully exploit the combination of electronic and optical technologies.

@davidw++ /me had only found Utah Effective Teaching Standards or Ukrainian Evangelical Theological Seminary

FIncumbents @christophermitchell

@wseltzer Google auto-corrected it to etsy

Bruce Sterling once proposed that the way we'd get renewables was by giving SUV owners EVEN BIGGER cars, with huge fuelcells whose hydrogen came from midwestern windmills (on the roof at work/home) that used excess capacity to crack H from H20; drive your monster car home from the office and plug your house into it. No 2-way grid required, and you can tell people that it is their environmental duty to drive literally the biggest cars they can find

There's enough wind in the great plains to power the whole USA (it's just not evenly distributed)

@doctorow not at all convinced this is a smart time to centralize production of energy even further

@christophermitchell in (very partial) defense of the power companies there is a cost to providing an always-available grid. the problem is that the state PUCs they own are giving them vast rate increases and unjustified penalties on home users who go solar.

@dangillmor agree that there is a cost - an ALEC (American Legislative Exchange Council) is pushing hard to make that cost punitive rather than rational

3M: Andrew Odlyzko

Center for Media and Democracy?s ?expose? of ALEC: http://www.alecexposed.org/wiki/ALEC_Exposed

We have data. We have lots of data. It comes from related markets. We even have some data from ILECs and Goog's efforts.

"Through ALEC, Global Corporations Are Scheming to Rewrite YOUR Rights and Boost THEIR Revenue Through the corporate-funded American Legislative Exchange Council, global corporations and state politicians vote behind closed doors to try to rewrite state laws that govern your rights. These so-called "model bills" reach into almost every area of American life and often directly benefit huge corporations."

@christophermitchell of course they would, since they're owned and operated by Big Business interests.

Wikipedia on ALEC: American Legislative Exchange Council - Wikipedia, the free ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Legislative_Exchange_Council

railroad investments had hardly any track record, heh

There are real reasons why cable successfully fought off the invasion of DBS, even when we solved the access to content. There are reasons Google is struggling with Google fiber and why it has inspired significant upgrade. There is a wealth of data that is relevant and bears on this question.

(Why yes, I have worked on this a lot.)

a must read for any serious deployer of capital https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_Popular_Delusions_and_the_Madness_of_Crowds

See this old blog post of mine analyzing the issues. http://www.wetmachine.com/tales-of-the-sausage-factory/why-verizon-should-give-away-fios-connections-and-get-people-addicted-to-speed/

Datapoint from NL: once incumbent got its TV offering on par with cable, it really took off for them in residential markets

@haroldfeld Is Google really struggling with fiber? The Verge wrote a thing about it, but on one list (which some of us are on), Milo Medin weighed in saying the piece was simply false, and growth continues apace.

@dsearls As always, depends who you ask. Certainly the mass layoffs rumor is false so far.

OTOH, they clearly are encountering lots of hurdles to deployment and actually getting into buildings.

@dsearls Are more cities slated to be googlefibered?

Datapoint from Belgium: copper network is a cheap one, only one twisted pair. Now Belgacom invests in FttH because Telenet (Malone) beats them in everything

I expect Google to grow fiber slowly, fixed wireless, leased fiber to modern MDU much more quickly.

No option in channel bonding

?In general the human race does not like reality.? Andrew Odlyzko.

They have something like 34 selected. But they are having trouble actually deploying.

"In general, the human race doesn't like reality" -- Andrew Odlyzko

It does not help that it sounds like the deployment designs differ in each market - at least from what I hear.

we can start an outtro, now that the intro is finished

My colleague at Institute for Local Self-Reliance has done an in-depth series on Beyond the Utility - democratizing energy production - posted in reverse order here: https://ilsr.org/tag/utility-3-0/

Search Results [PDF]The Authoritarians Bob Altemeyer Associate Professor ... - Shaw http://members.shaw.ca/jeanaltemeyer/drbob/TheAuthoritarians.pdf May 2, 2007 - Winnipeg, Canada .... Who am I? I=m a nearly retired psychology professor in Canada

Session: Mixed Topics

Bob Altemeyer: https://webbrain.com/u/19qU

From the intro to the book:

What is Authoritarianism? Authoritarianism is something authoritarian followers and authoritarian leaders cook up between themselves. It happens when the followers submit too much to the leaders, trust them too much, and give them too much leeway to do whatever they want--which often is something undemocratic, tyrannical and brutal. In my day, authoritarian fascist and authoritarian communist dictatorships posed the biggest threats to democracies, and eventually lost to them in wars both hot and cold. But authoritarianism itself has not disappeared, and I=m going to present the case in this book that the greatest threat to American democracy today arises from a militant authoritarianism that has become a cancer upon the nation.

Trust, a theme of a recent BH

Recurring motif in group meetings is that women raise their hands & wait to be called on, men leap in - I am just as guilty of it as anyone. Going to try and stop. Feel free to call me on it when I lapse.

[ ] Want to be a slave to the Borg [ ] Cool icons

@davidw I drink the koolaid!

Ain't no one forced me to be here. Here because of the power of the room

I trust the room

I don't think most white men think the police are ever going to shoot them

so many of our economic relationships are forced

[] I can not see the restrictions (constraints) because of the zillion possibilities (e.g. a million apps)

SHUT UP OR ELSE - David Graeber on Structural Violence - YouTube Video for david graber structural violence of the state:arrow_forward: 2:35 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nnlo002YQQ Nov 5, 2015 - Uploaded by London Real "The vast majority of people on Earth are being told to shut up every day." - David Graeber on structures of ...

@christophermitchell +1

Graeber's "A utopia of rules" book is amazing.

Force is a way to exercise power. The threat of (using) force is a source of power. ?

We use 3 concepts; control for limiting options onesided/topdown, guidance for when you cannot control but provide a direction with incentives, and cultivate when you act like a gardener, tweaking the ecosystem to incite a certain direction of evolution

@doctorow the insight that our comic book heroes never build and the villains do left my jaw hanging open.

"the privilege of privilege is not noticing the privilege" -- like seldom/never having the experience of feeling the fist in the glove threatening you

@roelofm the threat is a source of control, which is powerful; it's not power itself

@jerrym that is one of the strong points in Graeber's book. White men never have to spend time thinking about how other people perceive things differently.

@christophermitchell @doctorow its hard to build when you are constantly on defense.

Someone: ?White privilege doesn?t mean you got things because you?re white. It means when you didn?t, it wasn?t because you?re white."

Other people have to spend lots of time thinking about how white men think and act

tx, chris

@christophermitchell they do, occasionally, in other parts of the world -- one of the reasons we should travel...

@dangillmor I shouldn't generalize US to world

I am mildly disturbed that he sounds put out by this obligation to education his children.

s/education/educate/