BigHook Chat — Wednesday, September 3, 2008

| Thursday, September 4, 2008

Sep 3
12:45 PM
David I.
Hello everybody!
Sep 3
1:25 PM
Aaron S.
*missed the bus, will be a bit late*
Sep 3
2:00 PM
Doc S.
I blogged Eric's talk yesterday, here: http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/watch-…
Sep 3
2:05 PM
Doc S.
Doc S.
Doc S.
btw, when I shoot pics here, they're all for David, for his own use. Just so ya'll know.
Doc S.
Sep 3
2:10 PM
Doc S.
Doc S.
Sep 3
2:20 PM
Doc S.
Chris Meyer's page at Monitor: http://www.themonitornetworks.com/about/pe…
Display
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Sep 3
2:25 PM
Doc S.
Doc S.
Doc S.
Katrin's blog at MobileActive:
Doc S.
JZ's Future of the Internet blog: http://futureoftheinternet.org/blog/
Display
Could everyone please turn off their campfire chat sounds? Click the speaker icon in the upper right, please.
Sep 3
2:30 PM
David I.
Could everyone please turn off their campfire chat sounds? Click the speaker icon in the upper right, please.
Doc S.
Doc S.
Doc S.
Personal Democracy Forum: http://www.personaldemocracy.com/
Doc S.
Micah's page/blog, note his many books: http://micah.sifry.com/
Sep 3
2:35 PM
Doc S.
Sep 3
2:40 PM
Doc S.
Reboot is a great conference. I was in the hospital while it was happening this year. Link: http://www.reboot.dk/
Doc S.
Charles' Benton Foundation: http://benton.org/
Sep 3
2:45 PM
Doc S.
Charles on broadband migration: http://benton.org/node/11523
Sep 3
2:50 PM
Micah S.
while we're on the topic of free email lists, you can subscribe to the techPresident Daily Digest by registering here: http://www.techpresident.com
David I.
Pano has put his latest book online for us as a freebook. "I-B-M Brain Software" at http://www.lulu.com/content/3849030 - Description: religious software developed over Millenia is antiquated, holding human development back. Our Brains need new software for the humans to reach the stars. Internet, Mobile convergence and the parallel processing capacity of human brains, allows finally human beings to work like the Global Brain....
Sep 3
2:55 PM
Doc S.
Nice interview with Tim Nulty by Heath Row: http://h3athrow.blogspot.com/2008/03/open-…
Doc S.
Sep 3
3:05 PM
Doc S.
Robin C.
Forgot to mention that I also see business as a critical engine for creating this required change. See here my blog entry on how an OS mesh network would be better, cheaper than traditional methods for congestion pricing:
Robin C.
Sep 3
3:15 PM
Doc S.
Katrin
Katrin
looking for study. Nuwan, the head researcher will be at htpp://MobileActive08.org
Katrin
Brough T.
http://lirneasia.net/ is the study group that has looked at mobile phone adoption by those at the bottom of the pyramid (lower fifth percentile).
Sep 3
3:20 PM
Brough T.
Katrin
is it this one?
Katrin
elliot n.
doc is also editor here http://www.linuxjournal.com/
elliot n.
and author here http://cluetrain.com/
Doc S.
elliot n.
<----- wants tellme for the iphone! (but doesn't expect to see it)
Doc S.
ProjectVRM at Berkman: http://projectvrm.org
Katrin
SE Asia ICT infrastructure -- we wrote this paper up (ugh): http://mobileactive.org/ngos-need-think-be…
Sep 3
3:25 PM
Doc S.
I believe the document David just showed is here: http://www.baller.com/comm_broadband.html
Sep 3
4:25 PM
Aleecia M.
Sep 3
4:30 PM
Doc S.
Sep 3
4:35 PM
Andy R.
Just posted on the other dot, DOT EARTH, about North Pole sea ice (didn't write it here; just refined it.. ; - )http://tinyurl.com/DotNorthPole
Doc S.
Doc S.
Doc S.
Doc S.
Very interested (personally) in talking about what happens after TV's mainframe era ends next January. White space is a big part of it. Something I wrote recently: http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/what-h…
Sep 3
4:40 PM
Doc S.
Elliot is an ICANN veteran too: http://icannwiki.org/Elliot_Noss
Sep 3
4:45 PM
Richard W.
The one thing I neglected to mention is the first few rumblings I'm hearing in the blogosphere (and also personally encouraging) not just to make productive use of the TV white spaces, but also to take back the "dark spaces" that broadcasters are currently using. Moving the last 15 million Americans from over-the-air to over-the-fiber broadcast won't be easy, and the politics are truly daunting, but the benefits of freeing up this amazing spectrum for ubiquitous Net access are well worth the challenges.
Juliana R.
Juliana R.
Re: Broadband cowboy
Micah S.
While we are on the topic of segways, check out http://sarahpalinisyournewsegway.com/
Sep 3
4:50 PM
elliot n.
d reed also co-author of 
"END-TO-END ARGUMENTS IN SYSTEM DESIGN" 
which inspired http://isen.com/stupid.html which inexorably led to bighook!
Doc S.
Sep 3
4:55 PM
elliot n.
which inspired http://isen.com/stupid.html which inexorably led to bighook!
Doc S.
cool: privacy ≠ secrecy
Doc S.
It was David's testimony at the FCC hearing at Harvard on Comcast packet inspection that got (imho) Kevin Martin later to crack down on the carrier.
Steve K.
great privacy quote from 12 years ago from an conference speaker (professor at Emory B-School) "My family is from India. We havent had privacy for thousands of years. You get used to it."
Aleecia M.
It is always interesting to guess what people mean by "privacy"
Sep 3
5:00 PM
Scott B.
re: NebuAd
Scott B.
Doc S.
elliot n.
Steve K.
My other favorite privacy anecdote (no idea if its true). there is a tribe in the amazon that lives communally in large round wooden platforms/pavillions. Their "privacy" solution is that everyone orients themselves looking out and whatever happens "behind" them (ie, closer to the center of the pavillion) is private. So, for example, couples will go to the middle of the platform to have sex and the rest of the tribe carriers on as if "nothing" is happening...
Doc S.
Robin C.
As an entrepreneur, I'm wondering if I'm a snake oil salesman that is required for innovation and advancement of ideas.
Robin C.
While my ideas will all succeed(!), each one advances the field a little bit more.
Sep 3
5:05 PM
Steve K.
I am eternally grateful to andrew for his incredible papers. Really worth browsing on his site. also this must-read satire of a stock scam during the railway boom that rings painfully true for anyone who went through the bubble http://www.dtc.umn.edu/~odlyzko/rrsources/…
Steve K.
glenmuckin railway
Steve K.
glenmuchkin railway
Doc S.
Doc S.
That was Andrew's page of sources on railroads.
Sep 3
5:10 PM
Doc S.
Steve's Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Crocker Lots o' grist.
elliot n.
we thank steve for his ICANN service. more of you need to serve! :-)
Doc S.
Here on the chat, look at the "latest 5 files" on the right for some fun pix of Steve and Vint.
Jon Z.
elliot n.
every blind squirrel.......
Sep 3
5:15 PM
Steve K.
Acctual headline - google news. We live in strange times. "McCain camp blasts National Enquirer: John McCain's campaign has just issued a strongly worded statement about a forthcoming National Enquirer article about running mate Sarah Palin.
Sep 3
5:20 PM
Steve K.
per that quote. I love arguments that start "since people are so much more stressed these days." because when whole families worked 6 days a week at the mill they were sooo much less stressed. '
Sep 3
5:25 PM
Juliana R.
Incremental Infrastructure idea by Ethan Zuckerman could be very powerful. I.e using the mobile revolution to also solve the energy infrastructure problems that are common in the developing world http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2007/07…
elliot n.
its not that interesting because it is so difficult here to effect change
Micah S.
elliott, that's true...but does that mean we give up on making change here as a result? Given how big the US footprint is, across an array of challenges...
Sep 3
5:30 PM
Steve C.
Steve C.
The above is a news story titled: Indian Regulator Approves VOIP
elliot n.
link to the website for that product that tim showed?
Andy R.
Tim, so what's your retirement money in? (please tell us)
Steve K.
why we wont have to pay back our debt.. most of it is held by the chinese. we'll just inflate it away by massacring the dollar.
Sep 3
5:35 PM
Katrin
Juliana -- it's already happening with Ericsson's MVP project -- they are thinking about this actively: http://www.climateactionprogramme.org/insi…
Katrin
the GSMA Development Fund is also meddling in this :-)
elliot n.
life only sucks as an american if you are hooked on consumption. it could actually be good for people!
Sep 3
5:40 PM
Juliana R.
Thanks for the info Katrin, it would be even better if Ericsson allowed for the extra wattage generated that is not used as part of the Telecom infrastructure to be tapped into by the rural communities. Like a telecom-Hygrid
Katrin
Juliana -- yes. They are not generating enough yet, but the potential is obviously there.
elliot n.
lack of customer service......do tell
Micah S.
i didn't realize i was attending a retirement seminar...
Juliana R.
There are micro grids being developed in Kenya, which act like independent power producers to the communities...tying these grids together would be a challenge, but one that would be highly transformative not only short term but long term.
Katrin
Juliana -- seems like there isn't a connection made to the telcoms and their infrastructure? Not sure, not seeing real innovation there, all pretty marginal so far.
elliot n.
the beauty of the Internet is that most really cool businesses do not need much capital
Juliana R.
http://lightingupkenya.org/2008/07/unido-o… Link to the first zero emission renewable energy Community Power Centre (CPC)
Steve K.
personally I am not hooked on consumtion (too much) but if the guy next to me and he goes bust and starts voting himself new benefits (or rioting inthe streets) wil will pay for his mistakes.
Doc S.
Andrew on Roxanne in 2002: http://www.dtc.umn.edu/~odlyzko/doc/googin… Just some history.
elliot n.
steve c......tell her how she needs dnssec! ;-)
Steve K.
greg is so NOT the intern, but he is immodestly modest
elliot n.
greg also did this fun thing http://www.fotonotes.net/
Sep 3
5:45 PM
Doc S.
The Paradox of the Best Network, by Isenberg and Weinberger, was based on Roxanne's work: http://www.netparadox.com/netparadox.html
elliot n.
cross-correlate the subsidies to mccain campaign workers!
Doc S.
Doc S.
Many great projects and links going off from that last one.
Doc S.
Should have posted earlier on the Net, infrastructure and metaphor... Framing the Net: http://publius.cc/2008/05/16/doc-searls-fr…
Steve K.
the biggest bighook argument ever "is there a politics in the internet?"
Steve K.
sorry, politics "of" the internet
elliot n.
and requires less and less capital formation!
Doc S.
Understanding Infrastructure: http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/unders…
Steve C.
Jonathan Zittrain's explanation of the origin of the Internet... ColbertReportEdited.mp4
Doc S.
With Weinberger, World of Ends: http://worldofends.com
Sep 3
5:50 PM
Steve K.
Per Gregs comments. one thing I am jazzed about is adobe AIR and MSFT silverlight. also these new "netbook" cheap mini PC's
elliot n.
I gotta get me one of those flags!
David I.
David I.
Steve K.: +1 - yes, and Google Gears and now Chrome. Browser maturity for storing/manipulating local data, even when off line.
Sep 3
5:55 PM
Steve C.
Sep 3
5:55 PM
Micah S.
How do we know that Atlantic Jl clipping from 1883 is genuine?
Steve K.
In the small world department. I get on a plane at 10 PM saturday night, "lose" sunday, spend Monday in Delhi, Tuesday in mumbai, Wednesday morning in Hong Kong, and then get a chunk of my "lost" sunday back on the return flight to Boston where I should be home by 11 PM wednesday night. PRactically, I am cirumnavigating the globe, with meetings in between. What I find weird is 1: the trip is actually "worth it". 2: I won't really skip much of a beat in terms of connectivity.
Sep 3
6:00 PM
elliot n.
own may not be the right word
elliot n.
elliot n.
(that was doc's btw)
Tom F.
"The internet is our thinking infrastructure" -- David, what a gem! This session just made its bones!
Doc S.
Interesting that David is using almost entirely *place* metaphors for the Net. Space, place, stewardship, travel... I agree, by the way.
Tom F.
Place is of course one of the *bad* metahpors to use for the Net.
Sep 3
6:05 PM
Richard W.
Another possibility is a "process" metaphor, and one in particular based on well-known bodily functions. So the Net is our nervous system , and our circulatory system, and our immune system, etc. It is a constant unfolding in space and time of potentiality.
Richard W.
(which gets us away from some of the property flag-planting arguments)
Sep 3
8:10 PM
Steve K.
my favorite telecom parable "the machine stops" by EM forster. AWESOME http://brighton.ncsa.uiuc.edu/prajlich/for…
Steve K.
"Then she generated the light, and the sight of her 
room, flooded with radiance and studded with electric buttons, revived 
her. There were buttons and switches everywhere - buttons to call for 
food for music, for clothing. There was the hot-bath button, by pressure 
of which a basin of (imitation) marble rose out of the floor, filled to 
the brim with a warm deodorized liquid. There was the cold-bath button. 
There was the button that produced literature. and there were of course 
the buttons by which she communicated with her friends. The room, though 
it contained nothing, was in touch with all that she cared for in the world.

Vashanti"s next move was to turn off the isolation switch, and all 
the accumulations of the last three minutes burst upon her. The room was 
filled with the noise of bells, and speaking-tubes. What was the new food 
like? Could she recommend it? Has she had any ideas lately? Might one tell 
her one"s own ideas? Would she make an engagement to visit the public 
nurseries at an early date? - say this day month.

To most of these questions she replied with irritation - a growing quality 
in that accelerated age. She said that the new food was horrible. That she 
could not visit the public nurseries through press of engagements. That she 
had no ideas of her own but had just been told one-that four stars and three 
in the middle were like a man: she doubted there was much in it. Then she 
switched off her correspondents, for it was time to deliver her lecture on 
Australian music."

| Thursday, September 4, 2008

 

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  • elliot noss
  • Jim Baller
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  • Juliana Rotich
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  • Mark Peshoff
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  • Nadia EL-Imam
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